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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
DeftLemonQuoter · 26/03/2024 16:40

I am talking about a 20 year period which is how old Kooth is.

DeftLemonQuoter · 26/03/2024 16:49

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 26/03/2024 09:55

A service which provides early help to the most vulnerable children and young people should be the most extremely cautious in what it promotes to them. Kooth has in effect been promoting transition to many of the most vulnerable children in the country. That makes it dangerous.

And when innovation is doing something dangerous it is supposed to stop the dangerous practice and act more safely. If it doesn't then it gets penalised or shut down. This is scrutiny and accountability.

As for saving the lives of "thousands" of teenagers who would not be here without it - the Papyrus Suicide Trust (which I have no reason to disbelieve) says that there are 200 teenage suicides per year in the UK. Are you claiming that over a five year period Kooth has really prevented at least half the suicidal teenagers in the UK from going on to kill themselves? What's your evidence for that? Or what exactly are you saying?

I am talking about 20 years, which is how long Kooth has been around.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 26/03/2024 17:02

DeftLemonQuoter · 26/03/2024 16:40

I am talking about a 20 year period which is how old Kooth is.

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Yes, 20 years sounds much more realistic. And it would be such a terrible shame to lay waste to 20 years of good work. But the experience of so many other organisations so far - from Stonewall to GIDS to Rape Crisis - is that it has been impossible to get the ideology out of the service even when it has been damaging the people it's supposed to be helping.

So I hope it's easier for Kooth - a signpost to other services can be changed fairly easily, after all! - and I hope it can continue to do its good work.

LoobiJee · 26/03/2024 17:34

DeftLemonQuoter · 26/03/2024 16:40

I am talking about a 20 year period which is how old Kooth is.

Edited

So you are saying that Kooth prevents 50 teen suicides a year? (1000 over 20 years = 500 over 10 years = 50 a year.)

So, if there are 200 teen suicide a year as per a PP’s data, then according to you, teen suicides would be 25% higher every year without Kooth?

If they could evidence that claim, surely there’d be a peer reviewed study into their success.

I’ve had a look at their website, it says it’s site for teens to “access support from other young people and professionals” and the site’s recommendations include: a coping box, a good mood playlist, and journaling.

DeftLemonQuoter · 26/03/2024 21:35

LoobiJee · 26/03/2024 17:34

So you are saying that Kooth prevents 50 teen suicides a year? (1000 over 20 years = 500 over 10 years = 50 a year.)

So, if there are 200 teen suicide a year as per a PP’s data, then according to you, teen suicides would be 25% higher every year without Kooth?

If they could evidence that claim, surely there’d be a peer reviewed study into their success.

I’ve had a look at their website, it says it’s site for teens to “access support from other young people and professionals” and the site’s recommendations include: a coping box, a good mood playlist, and journaling.

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Kooth works with young people who use the one to one counselling service - around 30% present with high distress levels and suicidal ideation appears on every shift conducted by the team. 200 young people take their own lives but many more than that think about it, sadly.

Igmum · 26/03/2024 22:03

Cannot tell you how many times Kooth has been pushed/recommended/urged on me for troubled DD. It's terrifying to think how much danger our children are in from the professionals who should be supporting them.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/03/2024 22:14

This is yet another example of how this ideology breaks organisations. Kooth should be supporting children to understand that for the vast majority, their discomfort with their growing bodies can be supported and will be resolved as they mature. Instead they ignore their safeguarding responsibilities and push children in the direction of the dubious groups promoting breast binders and puberty blockers.

Children's safety should be the priority - not the political demands from trans activist groups. Yet every time the activists win over the needs of children.

LoobiJee · 26/03/2024 22:27

DeftLemonQuoter · 26/03/2024 21:35

Kooth works with young people who use the one to one counselling service - around 30% present with high distress levels and suicidal ideation appears on every shift conducted by the team. 200 young people take their own lives but many more than that think about it, sadly.

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How do you have access to that level of detail of what happens “on every shift conducted by the team”?

One would have to be an employee of Kooth or a Director of Kooth to have access to that level of detail.

AlisonDonut · 27/03/2024 07:23

Teens need taking away from ruminating on mental health and looking inwards, not hiring more and more unqualified do gooders to make more teens feel worse about their problems. Thus driving more funding to these things and not to other activities that take teens away from the rumination.

The more funding you throw at this the more funding you will have to keep throwing at it.

SinnerBoy · 27/03/2024 07:46

EnidBlytonne · 22/03/2024 00:34

The footer on one of their emails to schools. (Click to read the whole thing)

I'm an unsurprised that they boast of being supported by BACP. I'm a bit stumped by Lemon's claims and that they seem to be ignoring the information about the harm they've done, by recommending children to organisations which promote breast binding and the like, as well as the terrible anorexia "advice."

Perhaps they do provide some good services, but the trans and anorexia services are far from good and in fact, actively destructive.

rurbane · 27/03/2024 08:18

Kooth makes money for its investors, so it'll be seen as a success. "post-tax profits of £2.5million last year."

LoobiJee · 27/03/2024 11:08

rurbane · 27/03/2024 08:18

Kooth makes money for its investors, so it'll be seen as a success. "post-tax profits of £2.5million last year."

So Kooth is a commercial enterprise which gets £3million from the NHS and retains £2.5millon of that as profit?

And on this thread we have someone claiming to have detailed knowledge of what happens on every shift operated by this commercial enterprise and also claiming that teen deaths would have been 25% higher over a period of two decades without this commercial enterprise’s activities.

That could answer SinnerBoy’s question about why that poster is ignoring the harms.

SinnerBoy · 27/03/2024 13:12

Yes, 500% profit is a huge margin.

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