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Another cracking letter from the Baroness.

51 replies

Citrusandginger · 20/03/2024 09:31

"A man does not become a woman by donning a frock and lip gloss any more than than he becomes a cat by attempting to purr and lick himself clean"

Fabulous.
x.com/baroness_nichol/status/1770186411054116883?s=46&t=OD0tMok8rbGQj0XbFHZNfA

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Datun · 21/03/2024 00:28

Froodwithatowel · 20/03/2024 14:06

But it's getting blunter, and plainer. Basically: you personally may choose to play this game with this man, but you have a job to be factually accurate and unbiased, and you can't use the BBC to enforce other people to play with you.

And that's really where it's all got to go.

Yes. It really is unacceptable that the BBC have gone on and on in this vein. They are breaking all the rules they are meant to abide by. Openly.

It's plain wrong. And except for women like the Baroness, no one appears to hold them accountable.

It's like some kind of viral apathy.

I hope they think that ignoring the Baroness is a bridge too far. Because I can see her escalating it otherwise.

ResisterRex · 21/03/2024 08:06

Malcolm Clark on BBC impartiality, possibly of interest to those here:

x.com/twisterfilm/status/1770583145168937176?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Murfmeister · 21/03/2024 08:31

It's such a cracking letter. Straight to the point and no messing around.

On another note, is anyone else getting Harry Potter ads on this thread?😁😁

literalviolence · 26/03/2024 22:40

She's a modern day suffragette. Which we shouldn't need but the world is full of women hating misogynistic including at the top of the bbc and heading up political parties.

DrBlackbird · 26/03/2024 22:45

TRAs and their handmaidens must really hate her though.

DrBlackbird · 26/03/2024 22:47

ResisterRex · 21/03/2024 08:06

Malcolm Clark on BBC impartiality, possibly of interest to those here:

x.com/twisterfilm/status/1770583145168937176?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

I’m not X/Twitter so can only see the first post. Is the big reveal a NB family member?

Helleofabore · 27/03/2024 04:59

DrBlackbird · 26/03/2024 22:45

TRAs and their handmaidens must really hate her though.

They do.

They had her removed from her patronage role of a foundation her late husband had set up, didn’t they? I cannot remember.

SinnerBoy · 27/03/2024 06:39

I think that the big revelation is that he's a member of Stonewall.

ResisterRex · 27/03/2024 08:14

@DrBlackbird

"1./ If you’re wondering if the BBC’s Director General has been kidnapped by the LGBTQ+ lobby then he has. He arrived claiming he’d emphasise impartiality but he promptly went native. Want to know why?

deadline.com/2024/03/bbc-boss-tim-davie-says-broadcaster-must-be-nice-amid-whipped-up-trans-rights-debate-1235863113/

2./ I pointed out in December 2022 the Corporations weird “queer” Pride Group regularly interferes in editorial content and admitted this to me. What’s worse this fringe group of extremists has its own representative on the Board. And not just anyone. 👉

thecritic.co.uk/pride-and-shame-at-the-beeb/

3./ Phil Harrold is Davie’s Chief of Staff, is responsible for corporate governance and manages the business of the Board, the Trustees, the Executive Committee and all other decision making bodies. Stonewall has its own puppet within the BBC and you’re paying his 180k salary."

There's a screenshot on 3 of the salary element. But you can see that in the Critic article.

DrBlackbird · 27/03/2024 08:52

Thanks @ResisterRex Its hardly surprising to find that there’s inside influence at the highest level.

The advocation always comes down to some personal perspective skewing the judgement and the power to impose the personal on everyone else.

I’ve read accounts of some gay men being concerned about ‘transing away the gay’ and acknowledging concerns for women and young people, but many many other gay men appear to support other men more than women’s rights.

Who, I wonder, actually led the charge to oust Richard Sharp.

ScrollingLeaves · 27/03/2024 09:24

ResisterRex · 27/03/2024 08:14

@DrBlackbird

"1./ If you’re wondering if the BBC’s Director General has been kidnapped by the LGBTQ+ lobby then he has. He arrived claiming he’d emphasise impartiality but he promptly went native. Want to know why?

deadline.com/2024/03/bbc-boss-tim-davie-says-broadcaster-must-be-nice-amid-whipped-up-trans-rights-debate-1235863113/

2./ I pointed out in December 2022 the Corporations weird “queer” Pride Group regularly interferes in editorial content and admitted this to me. What’s worse this fringe group of extremists has its own representative on the Board. And not just anyone. 👉

thecritic.co.uk/pride-and-shame-at-the-beeb/

3./ Phil Harrold is Davie’s Chief of Staff, is responsible for corporate governance and manages the business of the Board, the Trustees, the Executive Committee and all other decision making bodies. Stonewall has its own puppet within the BBC and you’re paying his 180k salary."

There's a screenshot on 3 of the salary element. But you can see that in the Critic article.

There were this article too about Tim Davie
The Telegraph
Tim Davie facing revolt over transgender Pride network ‘policing’ the BBC
http://archive.today/SK9mg

ScrollingLeaves · 27/03/2024 09:31

Re: BBC

BBC Pride network’s most powerful internal champion, it turns out, is one Phil Harrold, a little-known but powerful figure who is not only a BBC Trustee and company secretary, but also the chief-of-staff to director-general Davie. So, in effect, a BBC Pride supporter acts as gatekeeper to the news giant’s top bosses.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11638659/Has-fear-called-transphobic-led-BBC-allow-militant-pro-trans-group-censor-reporting.html
16/01/2023

( I found this thanks to a poster of a MN thread at the time.)
Phil Harold still seems to be at the BBC

Citrusandginger · 22/04/2024 21:39

Sadly, Ofcom have really botched the reply.

x.com/baroness_nichol/status/1782493967403102296?s=46&t=OD0tMok8rbGQj0XbFHZNfA

Seemingly, reporting Blake as she didn't give an inaccurate impression.

Another cracking letter from the Baroness.
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Pudmyboy · 22/04/2024 21:56

Bastards 😡

BettyFilous · 22/04/2024 22:07

Bonkers. If a male has assaulted another male, fatally wounding him and using his male strength to throw his victim into a river to die, the murderer’s sex seems highly relevant to the public’s understanding of the crime. Otherwise it’s man bites dog and everyone is perplexed and unsettled by such an unusual crime. Male on male assault is depressingly common.

KeeeeeepDancing · 22/04/2024 22:17

The Baroness is magnificent in full sail. Wowee what a letter.
Team Emma all the way here.

onlytherain · 22/04/2024 22:29

Ofcom is misrepresenting the EA. Gender is not a protected characteristic, sex is and should therefore be reported correctly.

Ofcourseshecan · 22/04/2024 22:44

onlytherain · 22/04/2024 22:29

Ofcom is misrepresenting the EA. Gender is not a protected characteristic, sex is and should therefore be reported correctly.

Yes, I’ve just read that and I’m stunned. ‘Gender’ has never been a protected characteristic under the Equality Act. Adam Baxter isn’t mistaking gender for gender reassignment (which is protected), as he claims both are protected.

Is Baxter deliberately lying (and to a woman who knows the truth)? Or is he just ignorant, and arrogant enough to lecture a genuine expert about a subject on which he clearly doesn’t know the basics?

ScrollingLeaves · 23/04/2024 00:41

“Ofcom's published guidance in this area makes clear that accuracy entails "getting the facts right". Section Five of the Code, which contains rules on due accuracy and due impartiality, states that due refers to "adequate or appropriate to the subject and nature of the programme". The approach may vary according to the nature of the subject, the type of programme and channel, the likely expectation of the audience, and how far the content and approsch is signalled to the audience. For example, for a matter of particular public interest, the requirement to present that matter with due
accuracy will be correspondingly higher”

The nature of the subject”: murder

The Type of programme” : news/factual/non-fiction

Channel”: BBC 1 supposedly the best, and paid for

The likely expectation of the audience”: to know the truth, that a man with the protected characteristic under the EA of Gender Reassignment , in this case a male human who believes he is a woman, and also sometimes a cat, who previously tortured and liquidised a cat, murdered a man and threw him in the river in Oxford.

That is surely a matter of public interest, requiring the matter to be presented with due accuracy.

Adam Baxter seems to be rather arrogant and complacent to think that that reply is a worthy enough response to the Baroness’s complaint.

ScrollingLeaves · 23/04/2024 00:49

I was referring to this letter posted as an image by Citrusandginger · Yesterday 21:39

StealthSpinach · 23/04/2024 10:57

How could he write that rubbish - and to the Baroness! She won’t let it go…

dunBle · 23/04/2024 18:22

StealthSpinach · 23/04/2024 10:57

How could he write that rubbish - and to the Baroness! She won’t let it go…

Indeed she's not:
https://twitter.com/BaronessNichol/status/1782494068821340172
(for those not on twitter it ends "Your letter is based on the law as Stonewall wishes it were, not as it is. I am dismayed that the Director of Standards and Audience Protection is so seriously misinformed, such that you appear to favour the wishes of Stonewall over the will of Parliament.")

https://twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1782494068821340172

LoobiJee · 23/04/2024 18:54

dunBle · 23/04/2024 18:22

Indeed she's not:
https://twitter.com/BaronessNichol/status/1782494068821340172
(for those not on twitter it ends "Your letter is based on the law as Stonewall wishes it were, not as it is. I am dismayed that the Director of Standards and Audience Protection is so seriously misinformed, such that you appear to favour the wishes of Stonewall over the will of Parliament.")

Edited

Hmm. Interesting that she’s going with the “will of parliament” line.

Perhaps her aim is to give OFCOM a gentle reminder that they only have functions because that was the will of parliament.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/section/1

Communications Act 2003

An Act to confer functions on the Office of Communications; to make provision about the regulation of the provision of electronic communications networks and services and of the use of the electro-magnetic spectrum; to make provision about the regulati...

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/section/1

akkakk · 23/04/2024 22:39

What a Lady!

Redshoeblueshoe · 23/04/2024 23:40

She's marvellous ❤

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