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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Disabled Brother Decided to Transition

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GreyBeaker · 19/03/2024 23:38

Hello, I'm new to Mumsnet and wanted to join to share my family's recent experience. I hope it's ok for this to be posted here but I think it highlights a severe lack of care for people with disabilities in relation to transitioning.

My brother has ASD as well as a psychiatric disorder so severe he has had to live in various psychiatric facilities for over 10 years, and he will most likely stay in care for the rest of his life.

He recently came out and told my parents he was trans, he asked for she/her pronouns and declared his new name.

It is important to say that my brother has had multiple identities he has genuinely believed to be true:

  1. He believed he was the rightful king of England, bought titles online, and wrote several letters to Buckingham Palace demanding Elizabeth II abdicate and give him the throne.

  2. He believed he was an alien from mars sent to destroy all of humankind.

  3. He believed his hand had a mind of its own and would often try to attack people with it.

  4. He had an evil alter ego that would come out when he was filled with rage and only drinking milk would send it away.

There are more but those were the longer lasting delusions. Unfortunately most made him a danger to others which is one of the reasons why he now lives in care.

When he announced to the family he was now a woman, you can imagine this wasn't something we were going to be immediately affirming due to his history. The facility where he resides, however, did not hesitate and nor did they ask him any questions. Not a single one. They simply updated his records to say he was female, updated his pronouns, and changed his name. They were also willing to arrange him an appointment with a doctor to discuss treatment options as he said he wanted to fully transition. Luckily it didn't get that far but what. the. fuck.

My mother is a trained therapist and reached out to multiple other therapists about what to do because she knew he wasn't actually trans. She was demonised by not affirming him. One therapist even said a lot of autistic people are happier trans. The only advice they gave her was to go along with it. Again: What. The. Fuck.

My mum rightfully decided to ignore them and spoke to my brother. She used 'clean', non-judgemental language and asked him questions through language mirroring. Although at one point she did make a joke as my brother told her he had recently bought women's clothes and he felt really comfortable in them. She joked and suggested maybe that was because they actually fit him (my brother rarely wants new clothes but his weight fluctuates). He took that well at any rate and said she had a good point.

She got to the bottom of it and it turned out that my brother has friends in the facility who are trans. Unfortunately they started to think he was transphobic and didn't want to be friends with him anymore. He decided the only way continue to be friends with them was for him to transition.

That's it.

Obviously I don't blame his trans friends. They're in a psychiatric facility so clearly aren't well mentally either. But I am angry that the staff just blindly went along with it.

My brother is now in a predicament. He doesn't want to transition but everyone at the facility is calling him a girl's name and using she/her pronouns. And he feels he can't tell them he's changed his mind because then he will lose his friends. It's a very sad situation. I imagine he's feeling very lonely and lost.

We've been told by the staff there that it's very rare for people living in these facilities to have any contact with family as sadly most cut them off completely. If my mother hadn't asked my brother even those most basic questions, he would have had everyone affirming him and would have felt compelled to go along with it despite not having gender dysphoria. I understand my brother is a rarity, but this does make me wonder if there are other disabled people in care who have found themselves in a similar situation. Perhaps they have no contact with family or anyone outside of their facility, and therefore no one there to question them. Only staff members who affirm them which makes these incredibly vulnerable, often easily suggestible people more likely to commit to something life-changing, even potentially life-threatening that they don't even want or need.

I'm quite tempted to write to my MP about this with my brother's permission but I'm not sure what difference it would make.

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Myalternate · 20/03/2024 00:06

I’ve no advice to give but I’m so sorry about your brother. Life must be very difficult for him especially as he believes his only way to keep his friendships is by becoming just like them.

I agree with you as I don’t think writing to your MP will make any difference either.

Boiledbeetle · 20/03/2024 00:28

You would think that staff who have access to his file and should know about his previous history would know better. That they are so captured that they immediately affirmed his new identity is rather worrying.

That is going to lead to all kinds of problems for some patients at some point.

Codlingmoths · 20/03/2024 00:36

I think there would be some journalists pretty interested in that story op and the terrible care inflicted on psychiatric patients in the name of the gender gods.

GreyBeaker · 20/03/2024 00:53

Codlingmoths · 20/03/2024 00:36

I think there would be some journalists pretty interested in that story op and the terrible care inflicted on psychiatric patients in the name of the gender gods.

I'm not sure if that's a good idea. Don't they need names rather than anonymous stories? Before my brother was sectioned he did some... not great things, and I wouldn't want his safety to be compromised.

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GreyBeaker · 20/03/2024 01:00

Myalternate · 20/03/2024 00:06

I’ve no advice to give but I’m so sorry about your brother. Life must be very difficult for him especially as he believes his only way to keep his friendships is by becoming just like them.

I agree with you as I don’t think writing to your MP will make any difference either.

Thanks. He's almost never had friends so I feel terrible for him. I might write up something for him to read to his friends explaining that he was just exploring his gender. Maybe I'll also recommend he gets a trans flag t-shirt or something as a 'gesture' to show he's not transphobic. Not something I'd usually suggest to anyone but this is a unique situation and I want him to have mates.

Yeah, I didn't think it would do much. I've written to my MP before about other issues and just received template responses.

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GreyBeaker · 20/03/2024 01:03

Boiledbeetle · 20/03/2024 00:28

You would think that staff who have access to his file and should know about his previous history would know better. That they are so captured that they immediately affirmed his new identity is rather worrying.

That is going to lead to all kinds of problems for some patients at some point.

It left us dumbfounded to be honest. It is very worrying. I knew affirming was the thing but I'm appalled it truly is without exception.

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Happyinarcon · 20/03/2024 01:21

If it helps, your brother can tell everyone he’s non binary, or asexual, or another variety of gender expression. Anything other than cis is fine. The important thing is that he didn’t go on hormones so if he needs to wander round wearing nail polish for a few months to fit in then that’s fine.

Crouton19 · 20/03/2024 04:11

Heartbreaking situation and it shows that so many people in positions of trust and responsibility just lie down and roll over the moment trans is mentioned.

The facts your mother was able to establish through gentle questioning could also apply to other vulnerable adults, young people, children and your brother's condition/situation might mean he was able to be honest whereas others with more self-awareness and social restrictions would be embarrassed to voice that they were wrong.

If writing to your MP is not worthwhile, please do consider sharing your family's experience via other channels. Eg Hadley Freeman, Suzanne Moore or even just adding it to the PITT substack as a record. https://www.pittparents.com/

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TeenDivided · 20/03/2024 04:25

It might not do any good but maybe some body like the Care Quality Commission or whoever oversees his facility, copied to mp?

Then it is on record and builds evidence of harm of acceptance without questioning.

theothercatpurred · 20/03/2024 04:34

If he wants a term for friends, he could say he's gender fluid, and currently feels male again.

You're totally right though, vulnerable young people like him are being convinced they're trans by others.

There are a disproportionately high number of DC in care being referred to gender clinics, incidentally.

Outwiththenorm · 20/03/2024 05:37

Happyinarcon · 20/03/2024 01:21

If it helps, your brother can tell everyone he’s non binary, or asexual, or another variety of gender expression. Anything other than cis is fine. The important thing is that he didn’t go on hormones so if he needs to wander round wearing nail polish for a few months to fit in then that’s fine.

Yes, definitely this.

Noicant · 20/03/2024 06:23

Yeah I’d go go with a fudge here, exploring identity is a good one. Wouldn’t hurt to go with some nail polish, t-shirts etc just to give it the right “look” if he’s not too bothered about it. It is a unique situation and unfortunately probably does require some flexibility.

Just so messy, thank goodness your mum was able to bet to the bottom of it. Wish your brother well. I’m not sure that pumping people with psychiatric conditions with hormones is a very good idea either, they do affect mood. I’d be flagging this on the quiet as well.

Beautiful3 · 20/03/2024 07:27

Agree with Happyinarcon. Good advice.

HeartofSaturdayNight · 20/03/2024 07:44

Lots of good advice here. I just wanted to offer a hand hold. This must be awful for you and your family to witness. Dr Cass refers to diagnostic over-shadowing in her interim report, this is a stark example of it. I'm so sorry.

Gettingmadderallthetime · 20/03/2024 08:23

I can see that it may be problematic for someone who is ASD to be comfortable telling even small fibs (so the gender-fluid story may sit uneasily). Showing support for LGBT rights through wearing rainbow laces or displaying trans flags in his room may help him to retain the friendships he clearly values. If he is happy to agree that TWAW and TMAM then that will also help. It will be a problem navigating the 'I have realised that I am no longer special in the same way you are' conversation. If the reason he was taken with the idea was that he was accused of transphobia by these friends it may be that nothing he can do will make them accept him other than transition.

This highlights for me that the lack of safeguards for vulnerable adults should not be overlooked. There is a court case mentioned on this thread involving mothers of 17 year old girls who wish to transition. The mothers wish to hit pause the fathers do not. The mothers are concerned that as soon as they hit the adult system things will be much less controlled. While oversight of the system for under 18s is not great it appears to not exist at all for adults.

I wish you and your family - especially your brother - a good outcome. Hopefully a new friend who won't be so difficult to please/impress. He is really fortunate to have such a caring family and its great that he talks honestly with your mother.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 20/03/2024 08:26

Hi @GreyBeaker I am really sorry to hear what's been happening to your family. That must be so hard for all of you. Glad to see some good practical advice given upthread.

Your brother is a vulnerable adult and the way that his care facility managed his thoughts about gender is a failure of safeguarding. So you could make a formal complaint to the home management and write to your MP about it. Possibly complain to the CQC as well. The facility might not understand that this is a safeguarding problem because there is so much nonsense around gender transition.

There are organisations who would take an interest in your brother's situation and might be able to support you and your mother. Transgender Trend are a useful source of information and they might follow up your brother's case.
There are also Thoughtful Therapists and Genspect who would support your mother's wise approach.

Flowers to you and your family.

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Ofcourseshecan · 20/03/2024 08:35

theothercatpurred · 20/03/2024 04:34

If he wants a term for friends, he could say he's gender fluid, and currently feels male again.

You're totally right though, vulnerable young people like him are being convinced they're trans by others.

There are a disproportionately high number of DC in care being referred to gender clinics, incidentally.

’Gender fluid’ is an excellent idea. Or ‘non binary’, as another PP suggested. So he can show solidarity with his trans friends without the risks and confusion of pretending to be female. Wearing a rainbow badge or T-shirt might also help.

Sadly, health professions seem to be deeply mired in genderism. I think it stems from the ‘be kind’ mantra, without any thought of how affirming something harmful is not in the least kind.

NitroNine · 20/03/2024 08:38

Might your brother be able to cope with “non-binary” OP? In that it wouldn’t be a lie (every fecker is) & his friends are just free to interpret the meaning of NB differently. Still using “he/him” not “they/them” obviously.

How utterly outrageous it all is though - & what a devastating failure to safeguard. Because this isn’t organic; this is a vulnerable group; & when there’s a very real risk of harm to them the people meant to be looking after them aren’t just failing to intervene, they’re amplifying the [potential] harm. I’d be astonished if there’s not a knotty tangle of anime + Reddit etc involved too.

RedToothBrush · 20/03/2024 08:38

GreyBeaker · 20/03/2024 00:53

I'm not sure if that's a good idea. Don't they need names rather than anonymous stories? Before my brother was sectioned he did some... not great things, and I wouldn't want his safety to be compromised.

Not necessarily if you have a really strong story with a public interest angle.

dunBle · 20/03/2024 11:07

They'd probably need the name so they could go back to the facility and ask "WTAF was going on here then?" but a good journo should be happy to do it on a "names have been changed" basis.

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