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Welsh Labour ‘allowing children to change gender without telling parents’

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fromorbit · 19/03/2024 09:29

Merched Cymru's research is shocking it is clear children’s safety is being put at risk. It has also got widespread coverage.

100% of schools in Wales that answered freedom of information requests said they would facilitate the gender transition of a pupil.

Only 28% said they would inform parents.

"The report by Merched Cymru found that 76 per cent of schools instruct or encourage pupils to recognise their classmates’ preferred pronouns."

"Some 70 per cent of schools offer a unisex option for toilets or have all unisex toilets."

"Teachers have told Merched Cymru that their schools have “no policies” for dealing with the rise in the number of children questioning their gender. One teacher said: “No one wants to take responsibility. We’re being hung out to dry.”"

Full report:
https://merchedcymru.wales/2024/03/18/welsh-schools-and-trans-guidance-hung-out-to-dry/

Coverage in the Mail
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13212533/Welsh-Labour-accused-letting-children-change-gender-without-telling-parents.html
Telegraph
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/18/children-gender-school-wales-labour/

Express
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1879010/welsh-schools-let-kids-change-gender-without-telling-parents

Will this be the issue which break's the censorship over what is going on in Wales? Soon 100% of politicians could be male due to the Self ID policies for politicians being advocated by Welsh Labour.

Will Vaughan Gething start by being sensible?

Welsh schools and trans guidance - hung out to dry - Merched Cymru

Merched Cymru's report on 'trans toolkits' in Welsh schools uncovers the use of problematic and discredited resources.

https://merchedcymru.wales/2024/03/18/welsh-schools-and-trans-guidance-hung-out-to-dry

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worrieddragon · 19/03/2024 14:24

The case studies in the report are really troubling. Schools are doing real harm to children and their families by going along with requests to transition gender at school - they have no idea of the mess they're causing at home. I do feel for the teachers and school leaders having to deal with it though. In the absence of sensible guidance they've been tremendously let down by campaigners and ideologues pushing risky approaches dressed up as 'inclusion toolkits'.

There is a shocking level of sexual crimes carried out on children by other children. The stats show clearly that the perpetrators are overwhelmingly male, and the victims mostly female. The idea that sex segregation suddenly becomes irrelevant when someone declares a different identity is extraordinary.

Froodwithatowel · 19/03/2024 15:20

Can't help but look at Wales and Scotland, and think 'that's what Labour leadership will look like in England if they get in'.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/03/2024 16:09

An estract from that Telegraph article. How anyone can defend what that school has done to that poor confused boy:
Case study:
‘At parents’ evening, they called my son Ruby’The father of an autistic child at school in Wales says he only found out that teachers were treating his 14-year-old son as a girl at a parents’ evening.
He said secrecy by the school, which allowed his son to change his name, pronouns and dress code, had damaged his child’s health and put other pupils at risk.
“Robert is autistic so while his understanding is good, he really struggles with social situations,” the father said. “He’s a big strong boy, impulsive. He’s keen to learn, but his social and emotional development have been assessed as being delayed by about seven years, and he has a statement of special needs.”
He added: “On parents’ evening, my wife went in and some of the teachers were saying things like, ‘Ruby has done very well in English this year. Oh, sorry, should it be Rob?’
“I’d had suspicions already that he was asking to be treated as a girl in school.
“Then he started self-harming in school. We got a call about him stabbing himself with a ruler and they referred to CAMHS [Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services]. The letter from CAMHS called him Ruby.
“The school have never contacted us to discuss any of this. When we queried it they just said: ‘We’ve said he can wear a skirt if he wants to. I don’t know which toilet he is using.’ When we visited they told us that the toilets had been redone to be unisex. We’re terribly worried that he’s being encouraged to behave in ways that could be dangerous to others and therefore to himself.”
‘I felt hoodwinked’The father said: “I talked at length about transitioning with the assistant head, and asked about policy, but they never sent us the policy or told us it was on the new website. Once I’d read the whole document I felt hoodwinked, powerless, disenfranchised. We realise that whatever we say or do, we have been checkmated by the school. The policy states that parents will only be informed about a social transition if the child gives permission.”
He said his son has repeatedly been suspended from school for his response to transphobic bullying by other pupils, and questioned whether their parents had been told about policies at the school, such as allowing children to use toilets and changing rooms according to the gender with which they identify.
“We feel they’ve really harmed him and let him down,” he said. “It’s really broken my sense of trust in schools and in the teaching profession.”

duc748 · 19/03/2024 16:22

It's disgraceful. And if all the schools are like that, no point in pulling him out and trying another school?

Justme56 · 19/03/2024 16:48

I got to this one and then couldn't read anymore. What the...

"She told him she just wanted to be friends. He then came into school on the Monday in a skirt and announced that he was transitioning to be a girl. He was then allowed to change and shower with the girls after sports. The ex-girlfriend was very uncomfortable, of course. She complained: 'I've decided I don't want sexual contact with him anymore. Don't I have right to say no to that?' She was told she was being transphobic and there was a suggestion it might affect her school reference for university. The other girls were horrified too but were intimidated out of complaining after seeing the reaction to her. Having proved he could do it; he then went back to going to school as a boy a few months later."

CaterhamReconstituted · 19/03/2024 16:51

Genuinely disgraceful for adults in authority to indulge this and withhold knowledge from the parents. The education establishment are stuffed full of sexual revolutionaries.

Yirk · 19/03/2024 16:55

I know its easier said than done for some parents, but I would be pulling my child out of school and dam the consequences.

justasking111 · 19/03/2024 16:55

Vaughan Gething was in charge of health until recently, the unions put him on the Welsh throne he'll do their bidding.

You're right to worry about labour getting in in England. Wales is the testing lab for all socialist ideology.

It's bloody depressing living here politics wise.

Froodwithatowel · 19/03/2024 17:10

the two examples pp share above....

for the first time I see how very vulnerable an Autistic boy is in being encouraged to go into female spaces and break boundaries, and how much he is being put into situations where the risks become very high that he will get himself into serious trouble because of the confusion caused to him. These bekind idiots will be nowhere around to help him when that happens.

As for the sexual intimidation, harassment and humiliation of a girl by ex boyfriend with staff enforcing that if she even tries to ask for boundaries she'll be punished...

I have no words. These people should be nowhere near children. People this devoid of basic common sense and ethics shouldn't be in any position of responsibility. And if these two were my children, I'd be absolutely incandescent, because this is abusive. Flat out abusive. By adults playing with how naice they feel playing politics.

duc748 · 19/03/2024 17:21

This is great work by Merched Cymru. Heartbreaking, the situation these parents and kids find themselves in.

Melroses · 19/03/2024 18:03

I have no words.

I thought at least schools not properly following safeguarding protocols properly at the very least engaged in common sense thinking around adolescents.

Froodwithatowel · 19/03/2024 18:14

I cannot get over adults, trained in care of children, coercing non consenting, distressed girls to undress for the gratification of a boy's ego. How is that not actively enabling that boy to sexually abuse those girls? They should be fucking prosecuted, if I was a parent of any of those children there'd be scorched earth involved.

Melroses · 19/03/2024 18:19

Absolutely.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/03/2024 19:41

Froodwithatowel · 19/03/2024 18:14

I cannot get over adults, trained in care of children, coercing non consenting, distressed girls to undress for the gratification of a boy's ego. How is that not actively enabling that boy to sexually abuse those girls? They should be fucking prosecuted, if I was a parent of any of those children there'd be scorched earth involved.

I understand why desperate parents don't make a fuss with their vulnerable child being at the centre of all this. But we desperately need certain professionally dangerous professionals to face the consequences of their complete failure to safeguard children.
The stories above are unforgivable - out and out abuse - there needs to be some accountability for the school failures

JanesLittleGirl · 19/03/2024 20:47

"She told him she just wanted to be friends. He then came into school on the Monday in a skirt and announced that he was transitioning to be a girl. He was then allowed to change and shower with the girls after sports. The ex-girlfriend was very uncomfortable, of course. She complained: 'I've decided I don't want sexual contact with him anymore. Don't I have right to say no to that?' She was told she was being transphobic and there was a suggestion it might affect her school reference for university. The other girls were horrified too but were intimidated out of complaining after seeing the reaction to her. Having proved he could do it; he then went back to going to school as a boy a few months later."

WTAF! This isn't just off the scale, it is off the next two scales as well!

How the fuck can any adult think that this is right? This is child abuse by proxy.

Thelnebriati · 19/03/2024 21:11

What happened to safeguarding, and how can we tackle the problem?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/03/2024 21:16

Thelnebriati · 19/03/2024 21:11

What happened to safeguarding, and how can we tackle the problem?

It's hard - look at the teachers currently in front of the tribunal this week for raising safeguarding concerns and one in the pipeline sacked for raising concerns about an eight year old thinking their sex is wrong.
Trans ideology is evidently much more important than safeguarding children.
Dreadful.

OldCrone · 19/03/2024 21:17

Thelnebriati · 19/03/2024 21:11

What happened to safeguarding, and how can we tackle the problem?

There's a quote from a parent on p19 of the report which says what's happened to safeguarding.

When we raised concerns about mixed sex sleeping arrangements for the trip, the safeguarding officer told us that ‘Under the policy, normal safeguarding rules do not apply to transgender students.’

EasternStandard · 19/03/2024 21:20

JanesLittleGirl · 19/03/2024 20:47

"She told him she just wanted to be friends. He then came into school on the Monday in a skirt and announced that he was transitioning to be a girl. He was then allowed to change and shower with the girls after sports. The ex-girlfriend was very uncomfortable, of course. She complained: 'I've decided I don't want sexual contact with him anymore. Don't I have right to say no to that?' She was told she was being transphobic and there was a suggestion it might affect her school reference for university. The other girls were horrified too but were intimidated out of complaining after seeing the reaction to her. Having proved he could do it; he then went back to going to school as a boy a few months later."

WTAF! This isn't just off the scale, it is off the next two scales as well!

How the fuck can any adult think that this is right? This is child abuse by proxy.

wtf

duc748 · 19/03/2024 22:22

‘Under the policy, normal safeguarding rules do not apply to transgender students.’

My flabber is ghasted.

PurplePansy05 · 19/03/2024 22:25

I am disgusted by all this.

And no, Vaughan Gething isn't sensible.

We need Welsh Labour out in Wales, pronto, but there's no sensible alternative.

Myfluffyblanket · 19/03/2024 23:30

JanesLittleGirl · 19/03/2024 20:47

"She told him she just wanted to be friends. He then came into school on the Monday in a skirt and announced that he was transitioning to be a girl. He was then allowed to change and shower with the girls after sports. The ex-girlfriend was very uncomfortable, of course. She complained: 'I've decided I don't want sexual contact with him anymore. Don't I have right to say no to that?' She was told she was being transphobic and there was a suggestion it might affect her school reference for university. The other girls were horrified too but were intimidated out of complaining after seeing the reaction to her. Having proved he could do it; he then went back to going to school as a boy a few months later."

WTAF! This isn't just off the scale, it is off the next two scales as well!

How the fuck can any adult think that this is right? This is child abuse by proxy.

This sounds like the school is condoning coercive control and rape .
Class action lawsuits will follow this gender affirming nonsense and many girls will suffer emotional and physical harm in the meantime .
I am glad Mark Drakeford is stepping down and hope his successor understands biology . Plaid Cymru is just as captured as Welsh Labour ; there are rumours about a GE next October so I am preparing for lively debate on my doorstep when political candidates come calling again .

HeartofSaturdayNight · 19/03/2024 23:45

What a grim read.

The grooming and sacrifice of children to a political ideology. Its the sheer arrogance of the school staff who think they know better than the parents.

WhatAMessWales · 20/03/2024 09:43

Schools are doing some really dangerous things in the name of 'inclusivity', but I do really feel for the teachers - they are under insane pressure on this. The responsibility lies with local authorities and the government for failing to take an approach that puts children's safety and wellbeing before their wishes.

It's the outcome of well-intentioned approaches to put 'children's voices at the heart of decision making' or 'there can't be too much inclusion' and suddenly you're in a position where any kid can opt into the opposite sex changing room and you're unable to say no.

WhatAMessWales · 20/03/2024 09:52

You can't underestimate how deeply this has become embedded in local authorities.

I went to see the safeguarding lead at our local council. Their response to my concerns about mixed sex changing rooms, sleeping accommodation on trips was that since sexual assault and harassment can also happen in mixed sex spaces, putting a child into an opposite sex space didn't introduce any additional risks.

(This craziness is a direct consequence of talking about sexual assault as 'peer-on-peer', concealing who is doing what to whom - overwhelmingly males harassing and assaulting females. )

Similarly, I was told that schools/LA wouldn't be responsible for any pregnancy resulting from teenagers sharing a bedroom on a school trip because kids have lots of other opportunities to have sex anyway.

This is the SAFEGUARDING OFFICER.

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