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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Sandyford clinic

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Hoardasurass · 15/03/2024 07:58

Finally the papers are coming after the Sandyford clinic over it's adherence to WPATH.
The job description talked about in this article destroys the SNPs claims that they don't use WPATH. It would have been good if they had mentioned that NHS Scotland had to refer themselves to the police for linking to the eunuch files via the WPATH link on the NHS website

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/14/sandyford-nhs-clinic-glasgow-discredited-trans-guidelines/

NHS clinic ‘follows discredited trans guidelines that encourage castration’

Job advertisement for role at the controversial site states it adheres to rules set by heavily criticised US group

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/14/sandyford-nhs-clinic-glasgow-discredited-trans-guidelines

OP posts:
ArabellaScott · 15/03/2024 08:21

Yes. The NHS hosting links to 'child sex abuse imagery' is quite the shocker. In the circumstances I think 'discredited' is the mildest word possible.

FrancescaContini · 15/03/2024 09:19

NHS Scotland referred ITSELF to the police 😳

ArabellaScott · 15/03/2024 09:28

To be precise I believe they referred the WPATH guidelines to the police. Hold on, I'll find the FOI.

https://www.nss.nhs.scot/publications/foi-000234-wpath-document/foi-000234-wpath-document-html/

Various docs on that, including some panic stricken ones from the FM's office.

Under Appendix 3 - NGICNS website adverse event review report v2:

'Within three hours of the media enquiry coming in, the Senior Programme Manager arranged for the WPATH documents to be removed from the NGICNS website.
The adverse event was recorded on the NSS ServiceNow system on 16 June 2022, with a Category 1 ranking. As per the NSS Adverse Event Policy, this means an event that “may have contributed to or resulted in permanent harm, for example death, intervention required to sustain life, severe financial loss (£>1m), ongoing national adverse publicity, or breach of highly sensitive personal information relating to several health boards”. '

'17 June – NSS Cybersecurity team review reported website content and
recommend reporting end website (www.eunuch.org) to Police Scotland'

'While the child abuse imagery referenced in the media enquiry does not sit on any NSS website, NSS Digital and Security colleagues have referred the end point website to Police Scotland for further investigation.'

So actually looks more like they referred on the website to the Police. I wonder what came of that.

FOI – 000234 WPATH Document (HTML) | National Services Scotland

HTML version of FOI – 000234 WPATH Document

https://www.nss.nhs.scot/publications/foi-000234-wpath-document/foi-000234-wpath-document-html

ArabellaScott · 15/03/2024 09:31

Email chain, this one from someone at scotgov:

'We’ve been asked for a response to the question below.

I’ve drafted the following – are you content? Is there anything else we can say about NHS and the association with WPATH? I’d be grateful for a response ASAP please.

QUERY
I would like to know whether you will be reviewing links to WPATH, and whether the Scottish NHS will continue to follow its guidance, in light of the WPATH publication which was published on the NHS website?

You have previously said you follow their guidance (e.g in PQ below). Will you be
cutting any ties with this organisation, or will this at least be looked at again?

Suggested response:

The World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) carried out an international public consultation on draft revised standards of care in Winter 21/22.
Documents from the consultation were reposted on the National Gender Identity Clinical Network for Scotland website in error alongside information on the consultation. The document concerned is not part of the WPATH guidance followed by NHS Scotland. The material has been removed and we apologise to anyone affected.'

All from June 2022.

Appendix 7 - RE media query - WPATH guidance - Telegraph

https://www.nss.nhs.scot/media/3891/foi-000234-appendix-7-re-media-query-wpath-guidance.pdf

ArabellaScott · 15/03/2024 10:13

ArabellaScott · 15/03/2024 09:28

To be precise I believe they referred the WPATH guidelines to the police. Hold on, I'll find the FOI.

https://www.nss.nhs.scot/publications/foi-000234-wpath-document/foi-000234-wpath-document-html/

Various docs on that, including some panic stricken ones from the FM's office.

Under Appendix 3 - NGICNS website adverse event review report v2:

'Within three hours of the media enquiry coming in, the Senior Programme Manager arranged for the WPATH documents to be removed from the NGICNS website.
The adverse event was recorded on the NSS ServiceNow system on 16 June 2022, with a Category 1 ranking. As per the NSS Adverse Event Policy, this means an event that “may have contributed to or resulted in permanent harm, for example death, intervention required to sustain life, severe financial loss (£>1m), ongoing national adverse publicity, or breach of highly sensitive personal information relating to several health boards”. '

'17 June – NSS Cybersecurity team review reported website content and
recommend reporting end website (www.eunuch.org) to Police Scotland'

'While the child abuse imagery referenced in the media enquiry does not sit on any NSS website, NSS Digital and Security colleagues have referred the end point website to Police Scotland for further investigation.'

So actually looks more like they referred on the website to the Police. I wonder what came of that.

I think this is different from the FOI I read before, which I've put on other threads. This is about the recommendation, I'm pretty sure there was another statement about after having reported to the Police, I can't recall what the exact wording was, though.

It's quite hard to find all the info because it tends to be in response to FOI requests, and then buried in various linked PDFs.

BetsyM00 · 15/03/2024 21:02

The job advert is still online:
https://apply.jobs.scot.nhs.uk/Job/JobDetail?JobId=169920

and the candidate information pack says:
"JOB Details – Consultant Psychiatrist, Gender Service...The role of the Gender Service is to provide assessment, co-ordination of treatment and ongoing support for those expressing gender dysphoria. The service adheres to National Standards as set out in the Gender Reassignment Protocol for Scotland (CEL 26, 2012 and update 2022), and the World Professional Association for Transgender Health’s Standards of Care, (8th Version, 2022)."

So, despite all the denials about not following SOC8 it seems they have been doing so for quite some time, just secretly!

Clinical Lead of Gender Service and Consultant Psychiatrist:Sandyford Central NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde

https://apply.jobs.scot.nhs.uk/Job/JobDetail?JobId=169920

ArabellaScott · 15/03/2024 21:28

Fucksake. They need to stop lying.

Boiledbeetle · 15/03/2024 21:43

Reading the additional job info

The Sandyford clinic
maltravers · 15/03/2024 22:50

What a mix of idiots, zealots and ghouls are involved in perpetuating this scandalous situation. Well done the Telegraph - keep at it like a dog with a bone, people are absolutely behind you on this (including old lefties like me).

stealtheatingtunnocks · 15/03/2024 23:22

They have a staff retention issue, don’t they?

Jk987 · 16/03/2024 08:33

What is WPATH? Acronyms make it difficult to join the discussion.

OldCrone · 16/03/2024 08:47

Jk987 · 16/03/2024 08:33

What is WPATH? Acronyms make it difficult to join the discussion.

'World Professional Association for Transgender Health'. There's a thread here:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5021764-wpath-leaks

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