Irish plans for care for dysphoric people no longer to be based on WPATH SOC

[Mermoose]

Mark Tighe in the Irish Independent reports:

• in 2020 the programme for government stated that new guidelines for treatment of dysphoric/trans people would be based on WPATH SOC.

• He details some of the material in the recent WPATH leaks

• "Asked if the new model will follow Wpath guidelines, the HSE said: “This will be informed by the best evidence-based clinical care for individuals who express gender incongruence or dysphoria and emerging and evolving international evidence will be reviewed as part of this work.

“There is no requirement for the outcome of this work to be aligned with the approach of any particular organisation.”

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/hse-will-not-require-new-transgender-health-plan-to-follow-international-wpath-guidelines/a670015272.html?

Move along. Nothing to see here. Quick - erase twitter. Deny, deny, deny.
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Nice reverse ferret going on.

That's a pretty quick response to the WPATH leaks, unless it was already being planned. A step in the right direction - sneaky reverse ferreting, it's true, but at least it's reversing.

Is 'cop on' in the sense of 'wise up' an Irish term?
It can be really scathing- 'ah cop on would ya', usually accompanied by a side-eye 😒- is a powerful tool for cutting through eejitry.

Is cop-on beginning to cut through genderwoo?

Sounds like a "we'll base it on whatever we want to" tbh.

Can't read the article but going from OP's quotes.

I know that Donal O'Shea was interviewed on Newstalk this morning but I didn't catch it and the podcast isn't up yet.

That's a pretty quick response to the WPATH leaks, unless it was already being planned. A step in the right direction - sneaky reverse ferreting, it's true, but at least it's reversing.

It may just be coincidence on timing. Paul Moran and Donal O'Shea (both of whom work in adults GIDS here) have been opposing the affirmation model for years. Until now the HSE didn't seem to be listening to them though.

Sounds like a "we'll base it on whatever we want to" tbh.

True, there's no concrete commitment mentioned to follow a more careful model but the break with WPATH is very significant. Almost all our parties were promising to follow WPATH SOC.

@MarieDeGournay
Is 'cop on' in the sense of 'wise up' an Irish term?
It is - I thought you were Irish yourself actually?

Is cop-on beginning to cut through genderwoo?
We're definitely in a better place than we were - the Irish Independent's agony aunt (or whatever they're called these days) recommended Genspect and Stella O'Malley's book to a man who wrote in about his trans-identifying grandson.

True, there's no concrete commitment mentioned to follow a more careful model but the break with WPATH is very significant. Almost all our parties were promising to follow WPATH SOC.

There's also the benefit of making those with power make a public choice of what treatments they're going to apply to children and thus be seen to be responsible for those choices. Rather than being anonymous and able to hide behind "everyone was following what everyone assumed was best practice although no one had properly checked".

You've got the activists, and they're unhinged, and then you've got captured non-believers with power. Get the latter group to put themselves on the line and face accountability if they get things badly wrong. I'd expect their decision-making to improve.

https://link.goloudplayer.com/s/pGbsoZUiHQsP

Well, this is interesting. 😎

Gosh. What is happening to that ever so long list of organisations that WPATH was holding up as their defence in that statement about how they were not going to address the major concerns in the leaked information?

How is that working out for them ?

Excellent news :)

I know there was a group who’d been trying to push to send children to Portugal[?] in the period while the new service is being created & not only is the Tavistock closed but it’s become apparent the NHS is changing how it works. Basically a big “we must have blockers & affirmation!” push & mercifully MERCIFULLY those brave doctors have weathered all the “you are evil transphobic bigots for wanting to practice evidence-based medicine & minimise harm!!!”.

(An archive copy of the article from OP.)

Nottingham Centre for Trans Health still linking direct to WPATH's SoC v 8, the one with the Eunuch chapter and a link to the Eunuch archive repository of 'child sex abuse imagery' as described by NHS Scotland.

https://ncth.nhs.uk/other-gp-guidance/

Mermoose

@MarieDeGournay
Is 'cop on' in the sense of 'wise up' an Irish term?
It is - I thought you were Irish yourself actually?

I am Irish, Mermoose, I was just checking if it was understood in the same way by non-Hiberno speakers ☺

@MarieDeGournay

I got distracted by Act Of Cat earlier & forgot to answer re: cop on - in the same way as lots of other Hiberno-English phrases it’s widely used in places with large Irish populations. It commonly baffles English-English speakers though, so is one of the many expressions that I quickly learned not to use at secondary school 🫤🙄

Turned out it was one of those circular arguments.

Like "TW are women"

So - what is a woman

Somebody who says they are a woman.

So what are they saying they are?

A woman.

What is a woman, though?

Somebody who says they are a woman.

ETC

An gceapann tú - do you think ?

Ceapaim - I think
Ceapann sé / sí etc etc.

Also an dtuigeann tú ? Do you understand?

Tuigim - I understand / dig / twig. And so on. Once you see it...you keep seeing more