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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Detention for calling transgender teacher 'sir'

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hockeysticks89 · 09/03/2024 21:24

There is a trans woman teacher at our local school, has retained a full beard but wears a dress. Any pupil calling him sir gets a detention.

It's not my childs' school but a friend's child has had a detention for this. It was a slip up not a deliberate misgendering. They are not normally a trouble maker.

Has anyone else experienced this? Is it the norm now? It was a year 7 pupil btw.
Thanks

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WaterWeasel · 10/03/2024 09:08

trollopolis · 10/03/2024 09:03

For avoidance of further misinterpretation, I was not advising something tantamount to what happened here - ie the use of a different honorific to the one the individual wants.

They should be using the names as provided to them - likely to be Ms X or Mr Y (or, of course Mx Z) as very few schools use first names with pupils for teachers. It is rude to call someone by a name other than their own - irrespective of whether you like it, disapprove of the rationale or whatever - see oodles of threads passim on how to address a married woman to see how firmly individual choice is supported

Or if they do not want to do that, then just manage to avoid using any sort of name at all.

I think reprimand is unlikely following a polite "excuse me" or similar circumlocution - absence of name/title salutation won't even be noticed

Again - you don't know what you are talking about. Students will more often than not say Sir or Miss (and Mum on occasions as documented upthread!). It's quick and easy and is polite.
Why should they completely change how they address their teachers just to pander to a fantasy?

BlackeyedSusan · 10/03/2024 09:40

Teacher has left now, but kids got shouted at for correctly sexing them.

Topofthemountain · 10/03/2024 10:13

WaterWeasel · 10/03/2024 09:08

Again - you don't know what you are talking about. Students will more often than not say Sir or Miss (and Mum on occasions as documented upthread!). It's quick and easy and is polite.
Why should they completely change how they address their teachers just to pander to a fantasy?

Edited

My children's school uses Sir and Miss to address teachers.

BlackeyedSusan · 10/03/2024 10:27

Kids make mistakes. It's normal. It's not going to help learning if kids are too stressed to learn because they are trying not to get a detention. This disproportionately effects neurodiverse kids.

WaterWeasel · 10/03/2024 11:04

It's also not a mistake...

ValancyRedfern · 10/03/2024 11:09

I get sir, mum, auntie, names of other teachers around the school.... It's totally normal. This should not be a detention worthy offense. The teacher shouldn't be forcing students to lie for the teacher's benefit.

PonyPatter44 · 10/03/2024 11:16

Surely the sensible solution (yes, yes, I KNOW) to misgendering is re-education, rather than punishment.

I used to be a teacher in prisons. I've been called MANY things, from Miss, to Lady Miss, Teacher, Mum 🙂 , a G (apparently a compliment), and on more than one occasion, Miss Man!

WaterWeasel · 10/03/2024 11:21

Re-education? Have you heard yourself FFS? A child knows that a man is a man and it is impossible to lie continuously.

PonyPatter44 · 10/03/2024 11:26

It was irony, mate. Sorry it didn't come over very well, I am hungover.

WaterWeasel · 10/03/2024 11:27

Sorry - I am never sure these days! Hope you feel better soon!

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UltraLiteLife · 10/03/2024 12:00

I think reprimand is unlikely following a polite "excuse me" or similar circumlocution - absence of name/title salutation won't even be noticed

Then it's likely you're not up on current events even in social media around such matters.

Also, a parent who runs PSHE Brighton, a campaign group for families worried about sex education in schools, said Year 7s were given punishments 'two years in a row' for misgendering a teacher in the first three days at school.
She said: 'We've had Year 7s who are innocently going 'Yes miss, I'll do that'.
'Bang, they are in what's called a non-detention - like lockdown, something like that where they lock them up after school.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12682079/UK-children-grilled-term-gender-activist-teachers-say-parents-11-year-old-pupils-given-DETENTION-misgendering-staff.html

There's an inbuilt power dynamic in school settings, the absence of name/title salutation would be very noticeable.

Children grilled 'every term' about gender by 'activist teachers'

Parents and former teachers speaking at the LGB Alliance conference in central London spoke out about 'activist teachers' who are promoting gender ideology in schools.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12682079/UK-children-grilled-term-gender-activist-teachers-say-parents-11-year-old-pupils-given-DETENTION-misgendering-staff.html

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