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‘I was having a much better time as a girl in that parallel life’

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ferretface · 09/03/2024 16:11

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/mar/09/lucy-sante-i-heard-her-call-my-name-a-memoir-of-transition-extract

Of course you were having a much better time as a girl in that parallel life because you have absolutely no fucking clue what it's like to be a woman.

Lovely coverage for IWD from the Guardian slow hand clap I wonder if they've deliberately selected that headline to be provocative?

‘I was having a much better time as a girl in that parallel life’: how an app sparked a late-life gender transition

In an extract from her memoir, Lucy Sante reveals how she lived with the feeling of being the wrong gender into her 60s, when a smartphone app gave her the inspiration to take action

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/mar/09/lucy-sante-i-heard-her-call-my-name-a-memoir-of-transition-extract

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LeavesOnTrees · 09/03/2024 16:26

“A bombshell.” I smirked at the unintentional pun and wondered whether anyone else would.

Mmm ok then.

CorporaINobbyNobbs · 09/03/2024 16:42

I don’t even get the pun?

Pluralism · 09/03/2024 16:45

"I felt something liquefy in my core. I trembled from my shoulders to my crotch". You said it, mate.

RoyalCorgi · 09/03/2024 17:06

Lovely coverage for IWD from the Guardian slow hand clap I wonder if they've deliberately selected that headline to be provocative?

It's the Observer - we've come to expect better from them.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 09/03/2024 17:20

I felt something liquefy in my core. I trembled from my shoulders to my crotch.

Surprise surprise.

viques · 09/03/2024 17:30

“An impossibly delicate almond eyed fawn”

Yep.

literalviolence · 09/03/2024 17:42

There's some seriously offensive shit in that article about what men are supposed to be like. How can anyone not see how regressive this nonsense is. Gender ideology is trying to entrench stereotypes. It's not progress.

anothernamitynamenamechange · 09/03/2024 18:30

Of course you were having a much better time as a girl in that parallel life because you have absolutely no fucking clue what it's like to be a woman.

Yep, but also because they seem to be basing that opinion on the thought the faceapp makes female them look happier than male them. Therefore parallel female them would be happier (absolutely loads to unpack there)
"The transformed result was a revelation: a happy little girl. Apart from her long black hair, very little had been done to transform Luc into Lucy; the biggest difference was how much more relaxed she looked."

I know there is lots of focus on porn's impact. But I don't think we are even at the start of understanding the impact of technology more generally. Its interesting (and a bit scary) how literally/uncritically the very well educated writer views the apps choices.

cuckyplunt · 09/03/2024 18:32

Well she’s not trying to win a female high jump or enter a convent or a ladies’ loo so good luck to her!

EasternStandard · 09/03/2024 18:35

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 09/03/2024 17:20

I felt something liquefy in my core. I trembled from my shoulders to my crotch.

Surprise surprise.

wtf is this writing

anothernamitynamenamechange · 09/03/2024 18:35

They are not even looking at real life women and assuming their lives must be happier (based on surface level impressions only without any insight into their interior lives). They are looking at computer generated images of women that don't even exist. So its a surface level impression based on a computer's idea of what a woman is. Taken as fact.

anothernamitynamenamechange · 09/03/2024 18:37

cuckyplunt · 09/03/2024 18:32

Well she’s not trying to win a female high jump or enter a convent or a ladies’ loo so good luck to her!

Yeah, they seem basically harmless and are free to live their lives however they want. However, the views they have and how they arrived at them says something interesting.

OvaHere · 09/03/2024 18:41

anothernamitynamenamechange · 09/03/2024 18:35

They are not even looking at real life women and assuming their lives must be happier (based on surface level impressions only without any insight into their interior lives). They are looking at computer generated images of women that don't even exist. So its a surface level impression based on a computer's idea of what a woman is. Taken as fact.

It's a mash up of virtual girlfriend and internet porn taken to another level.

Absolutely nothing to do with the lived realities of women.

OldCrone · 09/03/2024 18:57

There's an interview here as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/mar/09/interview-lucy-sante-i-heard-her-call-my-name-memoir-of-transition-book-coming-out-trans

There's a wife and child (of course).

In your book you say coming out to your wife and your son was the single most difficult thing about transitioning. How did they react?
It wasn’t hard coming out to my son at all, actually. He’s completely straight but he’s known trans kids since he was 11. He’s of that generation that just accepts it. If I am going to a store or a bank and there are multiple clerks or tellers, I will pick the youngest one because I know they’ll be nice. And my son, well, I’ve been an empty nester for a month now after he moved to Boston for a job, but he was living with me from choice. So I guess he likes me. Coming out to my partner, though, that was extremely difficult because I knew that our relationship was doomed. We’re still best friends, still very much in each other’s lives, but I knew the romantic component of our relationship could not survive. So I walked into this knowing what the outcome would be.

SmugglersHaunt · 09/03/2024 18:58

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ShhImThinking · 09/03/2024 19:30

So I walked into this knowing what the outcome would be

Unlike the wife who presumably walked into the marriage thinking she had a life partner who'd been honest about themselves before they committed to her.

And how convenient that declaring the marriage dead happens to coincide with the life stage where most middle aged men try and trade in a domestic life and wife for a flashy lifestyle/girlfriend/car.

GoldenGate · 09/03/2024 19:34

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I've noticed this too. They all want to be "girls" not women. Girls haven't (yet) experienced the true realities of womanhood and men never will so it doesn't matter to them, and many non AGP men too.

WickedSerious · 09/03/2024 19:41

Oh,The Guardian.

Say no more.

Cauliflowery · 09/03/2024 19:41

Pluralism · 09/03/2024 16:45

"I felt something liquefy in my core. I trembled from my shoulders to my crotch". You said it, mate.

🤮

RedToothBrush · 09/03/2024 20:00

In my parallel life as a bloke, I'm a billionaire.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/03/2024 20:02

Grim.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/03/2024 20:05

That's a classic Duper's Delight smirk "Lucy" is wearing there.

LeavesOnTrees · 09/03/2024 20:35

CorporaINobbyNobbs · 09/03/2024 16:42

I don’t even get the pun?

Dictionary definition of bombshell

noun
1.an unexpected and surprising event, especially an unpleasant one.
"the news came as a bombshell"

INFORMAL
a very attractive person (typically used of a woman).
"a twenty-year-old blonde bombshell"

CorporaINobbyNobbs · 09/03/2024 21:46

Oh I see…..🤦🏻‍♀️

viques · 09/03/2024 21:53

Judging by the photo of Luc just before transition I don’t think many people would have guessed he was about to become “ a very attractive person , (typically used of a woman)”, so I guess the joke concerns the “unexpected and unpleasant definition” .