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Article - 'The Hidden Costs of Pronoun Politeness' by Victoria Smith (06/03/2024)

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UtopiaPlanitia · 06/03/2024 13:24

As usual, Victoria provides a useful and interesting analysis of the behaviour expected from women in a sexist society and the issues that this can cause in terms of disagreements between women involved in the pushback against sexism:

'I often hear it suggested that apart from in the most serious situations — those involving men such as Bryson and Blake — pronouns are a matter of courtesy. I don’t actually think this is true.

To be clear, I’m conscious that women who say this are often dismissed as extremists, absolutists, people who would rather lose the battle than compromise at all. I’m also conscious that those who make the case for courtesy can find themselves called handmaidens and traitors to the feminist cause. I don’t believe either characterisation to be accurate. The latter ignores the degree to which women have always been forced to adapt to get their voices heard at all. “I’m being polite” can be code for “I’m doing what I have to do to get this published/broadcast/uttered at all”. With the former, though, I fear we belittle just how much of a sacrifice it is for women to call any male people women, too. It is not just politeness. It only looks that way because we are so used to women putting male feelings ahead of our own. '

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-hidden-cost-of-pronoun-politeness

The hidden cost of pronoun politeness | Victoria Smith | The Critic Magazine

Scarlet Blake — the convicted murderer who put a cat in a blender — is a man. As Jean Hatchet wrote in the Critic last week, it was obscene to see news outlets reporting his crimes as though they were…

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-hidden-cost-of-pronoun-politeness/

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catduckgoose · 06/03/2024 13:38

Deferring to someone else’s beliefs about how you both stand in relation to one another cannot be a reciprocal act. It is not the same as using a nickname. If you use “she” for a male person, then it ceases to apply exclusively to a female person; you are changing the meaning of yourself.

Very well said.

@UtopiaPlanitia thank you for posting this article, I agree, she writes such an insightful analysis.

Mollyollydolly · 06/03/2024 13:43

I tend to agree with her on everything. She's right. I hope some of the moderators read it.

Emotionalsupportviper · 06/03/2024 13:45

Excellent article - thank you for posting it.

Zebracat · 06/03/2024 13:46

She is absolutely right. I hate that she uses “ cis” twice though. Just say women. Fuck cis.

WearyLady · 06/03/2024 14:09

@Zebracat
She's using "cis" specifically make a point.

WearyLady · 06/03/2024 14:09

...to make a point

LentilFaculties · 06/03/2024 15:05

Spot on as always. Victoria Smith is my favourite thinker.

RethinkingLife · 06/03/2024 15:07

I'm pleased to see she's working on a book about kindness because I've believed for some time that the version foisted on women too often crosses over into participation in self-harming.

UtopiaPlanitia · 06/03/2024 15:34

catduckgoose · 06/03/2024 13:38

Deferring to someone else’s beliefs about how you both stand in relation to one another cannot be a reciprocal act. It is not the same as using a nickname. If you use “she” for a male person, then it ceases to apply exclusively to a female person; you are changing the meaning of yourself.

Very well said.

@UtopiaPlanitia thank you for posting this article, I agree, she writes such an insightful analysis.

I’m just finishing her book 'Hags' and almost every chapter resonates with me. I’m in awe of her perspicacity and gift for analysis/ explanation. The book is both depressing and mind-blowingly awesome at the same time: to see it all laid out in such elegant detail and yet to know that for some people there will never be sufficient evidence to prove that women are fully human and deserve rights at all stages of our lives. Seeing the divide and rule tactics used on women by a sexist society is at once revolting and liberating.

This in particular stands out to me today:

'When I thought change was a given, my generational birthright, there seemed very little to do other than wait it out. Indeed, sometimes it felt very important not to make the slightest movement lest it upset a very delicate balance. Don’t talk to the other girls. Don’t copy the conservative mummies. Don’t listen to the sex-hating prudes. Don’t empathise with the mothers-in-law. Don’t get too close, lest these creatures taint you. Keep your eyes straight ahead, stay very still and change will be your reward. It will be given to you from on high. Don’t let them tell you change can only emerge organically from such base phenomena as interactions with women who are not the same as you.'

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MsGoodenough · 09/03/2024 18:23

Thanks for this. I love Victoria Smiths's writing

Froodwithatowel · 09/03/2024 18:42

A whole raft of well made points.

Redpencil99 · 09/03/2024 20:39

Without reading this, I am guessing the hidden cost is to females

Redpencil99 · 09/03/2024 20:40

Yes, I was right

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