"The era of “no debate” must end", Andrew Doyle, contains excellent live video of Chester Storyhouse’s “Women Weekend”, Where all GCs had been disinvited

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https://andrewdoyle.substack.com/p/the-era-of-no-debate-must-end?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email#media-5fddc793-be9a-47e9-9558-65be6a0cfcb4

Do share it to as many people as you think might react well.

I am only just catching up on this and am shocked although not surprised.

I had hoped after the fiasco at Bristol last year and York(?) who both seem to have conceded for this year that having GC views is legal and "worthy of respect" that no group would attempt to exclude women who believe in sex based rights.

We need a resource web site where evidence of for instance excluding GC women is not acceptable.

It would be different if an event was advertised as being trans inclusive, but an event to celebrate women has to accept that that means biological females.

Trans reality - where a man who simply says he's a woman is exactly the same as a biological female

Cis reality - where everyone knows he's a man and it's impossible for this to change

There’s no punching down from women to transpeople. The only punching thus far has come from transpeople.

The problem is the belief that some boys are not really actually properly boys, and some girls are not really actually properly girls is deeply misogynistic and homophobic. I don't reject it because it's progressive, I reject it because from my perspective it's deeply regressive. I reject it because it isn't nearly progressive enough.

People can of course believe things about themselves and the quality / gender of their soul spirit essence but conflating this with sex is genuinely problematic and causes unnecessary harm and conflict.

Local Women were dis-invited from holding a stall after they declined an invitation to appear on a panel alongside renowned men's rights activist Patsy Stevenson. Chester Storyhouse advised that they may as well not participate in the event at all and that they had the wrong values.

Why did they decline the invitation to appear on the panel? It's usually the TRAs who do that.

It's only just dawned on me that the Chester Storyhouse is the old ODEON cinema. Oh the memories of the back seats in there.

As you were.

Mishy

Again and again we see the false equivalence with gay liberation.

LGB people wished only to be accepted as who they are. No one else's identity, relationships or sexual attraction had to be redefined to allow it - we just had to stop saying two people of the same sex can't feel a natural attraction and romatic/sexual love.

Trans people cannot be accepted as who they "are" without redefining the basis on which every single other person understands themselves. In order to accept TWAW, TMAM, every single other human has to acceed to indentifying themselves within a sexist and regressive gender-based order.

And even then, regardless of whether gender identity is a "belief system" or an innate human attribute, what it manifestly is not is the same thing as physical sex. And regardless of whether you define Woman and Man as sex classes or states of mind, sex in all its consequences continues to exist.

The fact are:

1. Female people exist
2. Female people suffer specific physical and social consequences because of their female bodies
3. Women's single sex rights and protections were created to mitigate the physical and social consequences of female bodies
4. Women's single sex rights and protections were envisioned without any expectation of the redfinition of Womanhood as a mixed-sex gender identity.

The lie at the heart of trans activism is not gender identity itself, it is that gender identity is "really" what makes a person a woman or a man, and therefore that the single sex protections that were in reality put in place in response to the needs and challanges of female people (of physically, natally female people, for the avoidance of doubt/fudgery) are morally entailed also upon male people who claim gender identity as women.

The push back against gender ideolody is not some paranoid fantasy of "a scourge on society", it is the entirely rational rejection of a movement that aims to remove women's single sex protections and impose upon all of us sexist and regressive stereotypes.

Until I see a gay couple insisting that they’re actually in a heterosexual relationship and anyone who disagrees is a nazi I’ll disagree with your badly thought out parallels Mishy.

Unless you’ve got an explanation how a women ends up in a man’s body and vice versa that doesn’t rely on “I believe..” or is actually an episode of Quantum Leap.

Mandy Clare spoke so eloquently and her questions were reasonable and relevant. It was shocking to watch her being asked / bullied to leave the venue; nobody watching the clip will think that the demand for her to leave was at all acceptable.

💐for Mandy for speaking out.

"I believe in freedom of speech unless you're being unkind (ie you don't share my opinion)" in other words you don't believe in freedom of speech. You can't have it both ways.

I cannot believe the emotional blackmailing is still in circulation after all the info and data that discredited it. 🥱

I know Mishi doesn't engage in arguments he just plops, but I'll bite anyway:

Being trans and being gay/bi are merely behaviours. Being gay should not be subject to restrictions because its a behaviour that harms no one.

Being trans is much more complex. Where it just involves wearing particular clothes then (like being gay) it's no-one else's business.

Where it involves expecting people to use prescribed grammar and share toilets it's asking for a big societal change that requires consent and scrutiny.

Where it involves males in women's prisons, giving medication to children and the ending of women's sports the harms are large and obvious. There is no automatic right to engage in behaviour that harms others.

When people speak about genederism they are talking about a set of political beliefs, not the act of being trans. Belief and behaviour are different things. Many trans people don't subscribe to your ideology.

It’s worth addressing donquixote because since LGBTQ+ has become welded together everyone accepts that wearing clothes of the opposite sex, having gender dysphoria, not feeling you meet the social constructs of your sex is the same as homo/bisexuality.

Once you start thinking about it it’s clear there’s very little in common.

Agreed.

'Cancelling' and 'no platforming' in general have to end.

People should be allowed to have different views and debating is the way to put your point across, not censorship.

We have too many people who delight in being professionally offended...

What on earth are you talking about? The event wasn't closed down! Women who had been disinvited were handing out leaflets outside and had the police called on them, the woman inside was asked to leave for asking a question. What are you qualifications for spreading misinformation? The fact that you used to live locally?!