On the BBC no less!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001wqf2?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile
The tension in the room is palpable, though.
Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
Grayson Perry and Kirsty Young speaking sense
LunaNorth · 03/03/2024 14:29
Young Again - 9. Sir Grayson Perry - BBC Sounds
Artist Grayson Perry and the advice he would give his younger self.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001wqf2?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile
jeaux90 · 03/03/2024 15:48
I listened to it too. I mean I liked the fact he talked about male sexuality and was very clear about it being reductive (trans).
I really don't like people showing their kink in public though, it's effing grim.
Dostadning · 03/03/2024 18:37
'male sexuality is a pretty potent and fucked up force'
He's not wrong there, though, is he?
Dostadning · 03/03/2024 17:01
He doesn't bother so much any more, does he? Said 4 years ago it takes too long and it's less of a thrill.
His wife always gives reasonable advice in the Guardian.
Am listening to it now. He has a cracking laugh. Nice to hear Kirsty Young back on radio. I know she's been very poorly.
Grayson had a rough childhood. I can empathise with that. He found a way of dealing with it, using shame as an aphrodisiac. At least, he's honest about it. He also knows who he is.
ArabellaScott · 04/03/2024 07:15
Yeah, the handholding analogy was disingenuous bollocks.
Fetishistic cross dressing is not like holding hands in public, Grayson. I think he's in denial about how unethical and gross it is to have used other people as unwilling audience for his sexual gratification.
Then again, his next comment was about how he thought that meant there was 'darkness in the old dog yet', iirc, I'll need to relisten. That 'darkness' referred to non consensual sex acts. Accompanied by another laugh. So perhaps he's just being coy.
Perry is charismatic, fascinating, skilled, entertaining.
That doesn't mean he's not also abusive.
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