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Libs of TikTok - parent's email account disabled by Google after complaining about a book

41 replies

UltraLiteLife · 01/03/2024 17:18

I'm not up on Libs of TikTok but if this is remotely accurate, it's disturbing. NB: not seen the contents of the email.

Received this from a follower. The book "Jack not Jackie" was in her kid's elementary school in LA. When she emailed the school about it, Google immediately disabled her email account! Unbelievable.

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1763299481397715151

Somebody's posted this in the comments.

It's not happening.
If it is happening, it's rare.
If it isn't rare, it's good!
If it's good, you should support it!!
If you don't support it, you'll be punished... <-- You are here.

Libs of TikTok - parent's email account disabled by Google after complaining about a book
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ClutchingOurBananas · 02/03/2024 16:41

I also hate the term ‘receipts’ for various reasons.

WhiteVelvet · 02/03/2024 16:52

Has anyone let Libs Of TikTok know she is being libelled and defamed for terrorism on the Mumsnet forum yet?

SaffronSpice · 02/03/2024 17:46

I thought it was widely recognised that Google scans anything going through their system, including your email.

ClutchingOurBananas · 02/03/2024 17:50

SaffronSpice · 02/03/2024 17:46

I thought it was widely recognised that Google scans anything going through their system, including your email.

That doesn’t mean they’re scanning for gender ideology wrongthink and disabling people’s accounts for it.

Echobelly · 02/03/2024 17:51

nothingcomestonothing · 02/03/2024 16:37

LOL. Does no one these days know that correlation is not causation? From the article:

'On average, these threats materialized several days following Raichik’s posts'

Right, I'm declaring here and now that the vegan Flora is horrid. If next Thursday someone rings up the Flora factory and says their vegan spread is shit, is it my fault?

Same article:

'the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which has noted a general increase in such threats against public institutions.'

So, there's a general increase? But the increase is the responsibility of a SM activist? So not general? Or...what?

Thank you for a very good explanation of how stochastic terrorism works.

Yes, no one could prove your comment about vegan flora caused this phone call.

It does seem a remarkabe coincidence that after Raichik tweets to her huge army of followers about an elementary school that has done something she and her followers won't like, for example, that it then receives mountains of hate and threats in the period following those posts. But you are 100% correct. No one can prove it's because Raichik didn't ask anyone to do that.

She has not commited a crime because stochastic terrorism is not a crime, it's a socio-political concept. I'm not accusing her of literally being a terrorist; stochastic terrorism can't be a crime and indeed shouldn't be, because you can't prove it. But you can sure as hell accuse someone of doing it and being a dreadful human being on account of it. She's a big girl and she can take that I am sure.

AlisonDonut · 02/03/2024 17:52

ClutchingOurBananas · 02/03/2024 17:50

That doesn’t mean they’re scanning for gender ideology wrongthink and disabling people’s accounts for it.

It doesn't mean they aren't.

It is well known that activists are working behind the scenes to limit the reach of those who go against the ideology.

Underthinker · 02/03/2024 17:56

So stochastic terrorism == criticising things then.

SaffronSpice · 02/03/2024 18:02

ClutchingOurBananas · 02/03/2024 17:50

That doesn’t mean they’re scanning for gender ideology wrongthink and disabling people’s accounts for it.

But it doesn’t mean they (or activist employees) don’t either.

nothingcomestonothing · 02/03/2024 18:03

Echobelly · 02/03/2024 17:51

Thank you for a very good explanation of how stochastic terrorism works.

Yes, no one could prove your comment about vegan flora caused this phone call.

It does seem a remarkabe coincidence that after Raichik tweets to her huge army of followers about an elementary school that has done something she and her followers won't like, for example, that it then receives mountains of hate and threats in the period following those posts. But you are 100% correct. No one can prove it's because Raichik didn't ask anyone to do that.

She has not commited a crime because stochastic terrorism is not a crime, it's a socio-political concept. I'm not accusing her of literally being a terrorist; stochastic terrorism can't be a crime and indeed shouldn't be, because you can't prove it. But you can sure as hell accuse someone of doing it and being a dreadful human being on account of it. She's a big girl and she can take that I am sure.

No no-one can prove my comment about vegan Flora caused someone else to ring the company - because it didn't. Me saying vegan Flora is shit is not causing or inviting anyone to do anything. I mean, if convicted violent criminal TRAs telling crowds of people to punch terfs in the face isn't incitement to commit violence, someone criticising something online can't be,can it?

Also 'mountains of hate and threats'?

SaffronSpice · 02/03/2024 18:05

Echobelly · 02/03/2024 17:51

Thank you for a very good explanation of how stochastic terrorism works.

Yes, no one could prove your comment about vegan flora caused this phone call.

It does seem a remarkabe coincidence that after Raichik tweets to her huge army of followers about an elementary school that has done something she and her followers won't like, for example, that it then receives mountains of hate and threats in the period following those posts. But you are 100% correct. No one can prove it's because Raichik didn't ask anyone to do that.

She has not commited a crime because stochastic terrorism is not a crime, it's a socio-political concept. I'm not accusing her of literally being a terrorist; stochastic terrorism can't be a crime and indeed shouldn't be, because you can't prove it. But you can sure as hell accuse someone of doing it and being a dreadful human being on account of it. She's a big girl and she can take that I am sure.

It Raichik highlights some outrageous behaviour by a school, why is it her fault that others criticise the behaviour of the school, rather than the school carrying out the behaviour?

ClutchingOurBananas · 02/03/2024 18:07

SaffronSpice · 02/03/2024 18:02

But it doesn’t mean they (or activist employees) don’t either.

This is just conspiracy theory though.

WhiteVelvet · 02/03/2024 18:12

She has not commited a crime because stochastic terrorism is not a crime, it's a socio-political concept. I'm not accusing her of literally being a terrorist; stochastic terrorism can't be a crime and indeed shouldn't be, because you can't prove it. But you can sure as hell accuse someone of doing it and being a dreadful human being on account of it. She's a big girl and she can take that I am sure.

This doesn’t wash tbh because you used ‘incited’ and ‘bomb threats’ in your original post.

What you've done on this thread is make a very clear cut statement that Libs of TikTok is responsible for real terrorism, not stochastic terrorism. Don’t you see that? The media you are referencing which doesn’t get you out of the spot you’ve put yourself in, have rooms of lawyers. Do you?

As much as i’d enjoy seeing the sh*t fly from this, I really would take your statement down or ask MN to take it down. It’s not ok.

ClutchingOurBananas · 02/03/2024 18:17

There is enough stupid shit going on in the world that can be explained by mostly well meaning people not engaging their brains or just being a bit incompetent, without having to resort to conspiracy theories about this stuff.

Yes there are activists but there really isn’t some coordinated conspiracy within Google. Loads of MNers have used gmail
accounts to make complaints that constitute gender wrongthink.

If Google were disabling accounts after scanning for ‘transphobia’ as claimed, most of us would have been affected. And, if MNers were, we’d all be seeing the ‘offending’ emails all over the shop. Not just a generic account disabled message.

SaffronSpice · 02/03/2024 18:18

ClutchingOurBananas · 02/03/2024 09:15

I just don’t believe this isn’t libs of tok tok creating a the leftist media are conspiring against us narrative.

And yet we have posters here claiming LoTT are leading a conspiracy of terrorism against elementary schools.

ClutchingOurBananas · 02/03/2024 18:19

SaffronSpice · 02/03/2024 18:05

It Raichik highlights some outrageous behaviour by a school, why is it her fault that others criticise the behaviour of the school, rather than the school carrying out the behaviour?

This is a good question.

The entire concept of stochastic terrorism
is absolute bloody nonsense. It is conspiracy theory logic too - making weird connections and insisting they’re causative with no evidence. And then claiming the lack of evidence is itself evidence of the conspiracy.

ClutchingOurBananas · 02/03/2024 18:20

SaffronSpice · 02/03/2024 18:18

And yet we have posters here claiming LoTT are leading a conspiracy of terrorism against elementary schools.

Yes. Which is a stupid argument. As I just posted.

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