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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

CoE and Stonewall in schools

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IcakethereforeIam · 26/02/2024 21:19

Article about Stonewall's fingerprints all over the guide produced by the CofE for use in their schools. Funded by a grant from the DoE to Stonewall... We paid for this!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/26/stonewall-funded-church-of-england-trans-guide/

https://archive.ph/0Jonn bypass the paywall link

And the church was seriously misleading about Stonewall's involvement.

Stonewall funded Church of England guide that said primary schoolchildren can be trans

Controversial LGBT charity gave a grant for two editions of the Valuing All God’s Children report

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/26/stonewall-funded-church-of-england-trans-guide

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ResisterRex · 26/02/2024 21:50

Anyone know if there were any other government grants to other religions, to Stonewall? If not then why just the CofE?

TempestTost · 27/02/2024 00:20

I am thinking Rex is is related to school funding specifically?

I am not surprised though. The CofE has been terrible on this. They are so desperate to be relevant and progressive they would believe anything if the right people said it.

ResisterRex · 27/02/2024 06:57

Yes specifically schools. There are other faith schools than the CofE. Did they also get funding or was it just for the main religion? That would spread more gender woo, faster. And meet with less resistance 🤔

NitroNine · 27/02/2024 10:22

I mean, the Catholic Church wasn’t ever going to start peddling GenderWoo so they’d not have been worth trying; but it is worth noting that the C of E don’t just have the largest share of faith schools in England (68%), their schools are mostly primary schools. As in, Catholics have the majority when it comes to secondary education (52%) vs the C of E’s 34% share; quite the reversal from 29% & 72% respectively.

With about a third of schools in England being faith schools, give me a child until he is seven surely has to have been a consideration here? If you’ve trained your reception class that it’s transphobic to acknowledge the reality of the bimodal distribution of the sexes of the human species; that you can literally change from one sex to the other; that having boundaries is unkind… just imagine the adults Stonewall is planning for.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/02/2024 10:38

Scary how easily the C of E has been caught up in gender woowoo while equivocating about same sex marriage etc. Dreadful that they've inflicted it on children in schools - maybe time for some hard drive checks on the adults in the church pushing this?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/02/2024 11:54

SoupDragonsFriend · 27/02/2024 11:44

The Rowe parents went straight to Justin Welby to voice their complaint - seems like quite a sensible place to start. They are now asking for a meeting with him following the government's draft guidance. Article from Christian concern (I know nothing about the publication): https://christianconcern.com/news/parents-urge-welby-to-scrap-cofe-guidance-for-gender-questioning-children/

Are they the parents who some years ago challenged their child's primary school for gaslighting young children by pretending that a boy was now girl? They challenged the whole narrative being spun to chldren, compelled use of pronouns etc?

IcakethereforeIam · 27/02/2024 12:13

I think they're the ones who were told their 6 yo was transphobic if he didn't use preferred pronouns.

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BackToLurk · 27/02/2024 12:16

I mean, the Catholic Church wasn’t ever going to start peddling GenderWoo so they’d not have been worth trying

A quick Google turns up a number of Catholic schools with transgender policies & Rainbow Flag Awards

SoupDragonsFriend · 27/02/2024 12:43

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/02/2024 11:54

Are they the parents who some years ago challenged their child's primary school for gaslighting young children by pretending that a boy was now girl? They challenged the whole narrative being spun to chldren, compelled use of pronouns etc?

I don't know but the article reads as if they might have been. It looks as if they have been very central in challenging the CofE's work in schools and that they are still being very active around this.

It was searching for contact details of a clergyman I knew in the distant past (in the context of youth work - I'm not CofE myself) that unearthed the article I posted. I'd seen that he had risen high up in the CofE's education department several years ago but it looks as if he's almost certainly retired so not a useful contact for this now. He was quite a bit older than me.

I thought the article was quite a useful summary of key stuff that had been going on, including mention of another primary teacher, 'Hannah', taking her employers to an employment tribunal in Aug 2024.

The more I'm delving into all of this, the more I can see how important it is that gender ideology is challenged from as many different angles and sectors of society as possible. I just feel so angry that so much money and time and energy is being taken from things that really matter in the world and directed at tackling something as ridiculous as gender fiction.

TempestTost · 27/02/2024 22:51

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/02/2024 10:38

Scary how easily the C of E has been caught up in gender woowoo while equivocating about same sex marriage etc. Dreadful that they've inflicted it on children in schools - maybe time for some hard drive checks on the adults in the church pushing this?

I suspect the differernce is that SSM has to been seen within the context of both the tradition of the church and also global Anglicanism. Both of which have a lot to say on the nature and purpose of marriage, little of it to do with secular concerns.

Gender-woo on the other hand doesn't have much direct treatment in theology, at least until now, and it's not much of a thing in the more conservative Anglican populations, so not much on their radar. The CofE is therefore much more able to do it's own thing.

TempestTost · 27/02/2024 22:54

BackToLurk · 27/02/2024 12:16

I mean, the Catholic Church wasn’t ever going to start peddling GenderWoo so they’d not have been worth trying

A quick Google turns up a number of Catholic schools with transgender policies & Rainbow Flag Awards

Some have, but it has to stay low-level, the Catholic Church at higher levels have been quite clear that it's not an ideology compatible with Catholicism. And in general, they tend to be less concerned about being Right On - you often need a little resilience to public opinion to persist as a Catholic.

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