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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

gender studies professor says Lia Thomas body is not the problem

76 replies

WandaWomblesaurus · 25/02/2024 11:14

www.forbes.com/sites/susanmshaw/2024/02/04/transgender-swimmer-lia-thomas-body-is-not-the-problem/amp/

Never mentions the penis though

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PriOn1 · 25/02/2024 11:21

Dear Susan M Shaw

“Right now, we’re mostly working out of our deeply-held and rather largely unexamined assumptions about biology and gender”

You may not have thought about it much love, but that’s because you’re a professor in a subject where you have your head in the clouds, or possibly up some man’s arse.

Leave the thinking to those of us who have a scientific understanding of anatomy and physiology and the way sex affects those things.

Yours

An Intelligent Woman

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 25/02/2024 11:22

It’s a pity the author photo is so blurred.

RedToothBrush · 25/02/2024 11:28

No. They are right.

It Lia Thomas's ego, lack of respect for fair play, sexism and lack of respect for women that's the issue.

FrancescaContini · 25/02/2024 11:28

He IS his body.

Started reading the article but it gave me a headache.

nothingcomestonothing · 25/02/2024 11:29

Oh this Lia Thomas?

gender studies professor says Lia Thomas body is not the problem
FrancescaContini · 25/02/2024 11:32

Yeah. Him.

Cosmosforbreakfast · 25/02/2024 11:35

The problem is that Lia is male and has no business competing in a female category. Like all the males forcing themselves into female categories. They're the problem not their bodies.

SiobhanSharpe · 25/02/2024 11:37

Actually, Lia Thomas' body is very much a problem according to the women who were unfortunate enough to share changing rooms with Thomas before the ban.
It seems Lia liked to get naked and was obviously very pleased indeed to be in with the women.

FrancescaContini · 25/02/2024 11:49

Yes. Those poor young women he exposed himself to while getting changed in the WOMEN’S changing room.

WickedSerious · 25/02/2024 11:56

nothingcomestonothing · 25/02/2024 11:29

Oh this Lia Thomas?

Yeah,he grew his hair.

That makes him a laydeeee.

SabrinaThwaite · 25/02/2024 12:07

The problem for Thomas and other trans women athletes is not trans bodies but rather the way we gender-segregate sports

But surely we segregate sports by sex?

Calling the categories ‘men’ and ‘women’ is functionally the same as calling them ‘male’ and ‘female’. And this wasn’t a problem until the males of this world decided that they had womanly feelz and were thus entitled to compete in the women’s (ie female) category.

FrancescaContini · 25/02/2024 12:10

Honestly, Sabrina, don’t even bother trying to understand the article. Staring at a blank wall for three minutes would be more enlightening.

PaperWalkAndTalk · 25/02/2024 12:11

At this stage I know these people don't genuinely believe any of it, I believe that this is the new form of misinformation/fake news and that is to overload people with fake facts and articles so that it becomes harder to recognise the truth. This sort of stuff can be fed into AI to produce false results.

maltravers · 25/02/2024 12:11

It’s easy to opine that LT’s body is not the problem when you’re a gender studies prof rather than a female swimmer who has spent a gazillion hours in the pool since childhood to try to get that extra edge. When you’ve trained as a swimmer for ten or fifteen years prof and then been beaten anyway by some chaps with lady feelings come back and express your view. Until then bore off.

Froodwithatowel · 25/02/2024 12:13

"Let's pretend this man isn't a man."

No.

SabrinaThwaite · 25/02/2024 12:14

FrancescaContini · 25/02/2024 12:10

Honestly, Sabrina, don’t even bother trying to understand the article. Staring at a blank wall for three minutes would be more enlightening.

Ha, you’re absolutely right. The author uses sex and gender interchangeably which makes it impossible to fathom.

I did read on for a while and decided it was misogynistic, anti-scientific, illiterate piffle.

FrancescaContini · 25/02/2024 12:27

The author has done this on purpose to sound impressively knowledgeable. But we see this mishmash of jargon for what it is in the same way we see that Lia has a penis inside his swimsuit.

ClutchingOurBananas · 25/02/2024 12:27

RedToothBrush · 25/02/2024 11:28

No. They are right.

It Lia Thomas's ego, lack of respect for fair play, sexism and lack of respect for women that's the issue.

It is fascinating that this ‘gender studies professor’ is so keen to dismiss the accounts of Thomas’s competitors who were forced to share a changing room.

But they’re only women. So their feelings about Thomas’s male body in their changing rooms and their competition don’t matter.

But beyond the women who are subjected to Thomas’s body, @RedToothBrush is exactly right. The problem is Thomas’s enormous sense of entitlement and general feeling that the world should revolve around what Thomas wants.

ClutchingOurBananas · 25/02/2024 12:29

The problem for Thomas and other trans women athletes is not trans bodies but rather the way we gender-segregate sports

This may be the problem as framed by TRAs.

But out in the real world sport is sex-segregated and it’s got fuck all to do with your inner sense of identity.

All this gaslighting about how their bodies don’t matter is unacceptable.

EmpressaurusOfTheScathingTinsel · 25/02/2024 12:29

SabrinaThwaite · 25/02/2024 12:07

The problem for Thomas and other trans women athletes is not trans bodies but rather the way we gender-segregate sports

But surely we segregate sports by sex?

Calling the categories ‘men’ and ‘women’ is functionally the same as calling them ‘male’ and ‘female’. And this wasn’t a problem until the males of this world decided that they had womanly feelz and were thus entitled to compete in the women’s (ie female) category.

Yes. It’s the concept of segregating sports by gender not sex that’s the problem, because it’s stupid.

ClutchingOurBananas · 25/02/2024 12:33

Susan M Shaw’s background is in theology. Looks like she converted to believing in gender ideology (from baptism).

maltravers · 25/02/2024 12:55

She sits on some athletics board though, so no excuse. It’s a “my position won’t be safe if I call out this cr@p” job I suspect. Hence the “oh, the problem is focussing on sports that suit male bodies” baloney.

SabrinaThwaite · 25/02/2024 13:00

Ah, she’s a Southern Baptist. Explains a lot.

PriOn1 · 25/02/2024 13:10

RedToothBrush · 25/02/2024 11:28

No. They are right.

It Lia Thomas's ego, lack of respect for fair play, sexism and lack of respect for women that's the issue.

To be fair to the author, it isn’t Thomas’s body that’s the problem. It’s the idiots who made up the ludicrous rules that allow men into women’s sports. Admittedly Thomas is also problematic, but those in charge are ultimately responsible for the harm done to hundreds of young women whose time at university has been blighted.

Now had the author argued that, the article might have made at least a little bit of sense.

Helleofabore · 25/02/2024 13:12

I am sure that the author of this article absolutely believes the bollocks they wrote, but they keep using false arguments as some kind of wisdom. It is like they refuse to believe that these repeated solutions are not solutions at all.

Not only that, but we already have 'mixed sex' categories in many sports. This author is suggesting this as some kind of great idea.... when it is already being done. And is fine for those who wish to compete in that way. It defies logic though that this writer understands that including a person who is male into a competitive team event as a female athlete is still unfair to the other teams following the rules with the regulated number for each sex. That solution doesn't work because the male athletes still want to be treated as it they were female athletes and therefore the teams are unbalanced.

The weight divisions argument has been modelled and found to not produce results that equate to female people having fair competition. Yet, people who are unable to see past this supposedly clever suggestion keep doubling down on it being a solution.

All based on the false premise that sport can be fairly divided by 'gender'.

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