Health Secretary Victoria Atkins: ‘The Labour Party is writing women out of our vocabulary’

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What gets her most impassioned is the topic of women – and what she sees as attempts to eradicate their place in society.

Most recently, an NHS trust provoked fury after saying that <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/Bm1bq/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/18/trans-womens-milk-as-good-as-breast-milk-says-nhs-trust/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">breast milk produced by trans women who were assigned male at birth is as good for babies as that produced by a mother who has given birth.

Before that, the health service was found to be using the term “chestfeeding” in place of breastfeeding.

“I’m a mum – I find it extraordinary that a trust thought this was an appropriate use of their time,” she says, suggesting that such services would do better to concentrate on tackling long gynaecology waits.

“I’m very comfortable and clear that I am a woman and I would like my rights as a woman to be protected. And they will be protected by the Conservatives.”

She is most scathing of all about Labour’s approach to women, suggesting that a “Left-wing mindset” is creeping into the NHS.

“That is why we need to be making this robust case to refuse to wipe women out of the conversation,” she says.

Sir Keir Starmer <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/Bm1bq/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/07/26/keir-starmer-woman-is-adult-female-labour-hardens-stance/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">famously struggled to define a woman, settling on the statement that 99.9 per cent of women do not have a penis, as the party became embroiled in trans rows.

Last year, then-health secretary Steve Barclay promised the return of “sex-specific” language to the NHS after references to women were expunged from its advice on the menopause and diseases such as cervical and ovarian cancer.

But many trusts have resisted the shift, routinely referring to “people who give birth” while some have referred to “birthing parents”. Atkins can barely contain her outrage.

“When I see reports of mothers as ‘people who give birth’! No – they are mums. I find it deeply concerning that there are parts of the Labour Party and the Left who seem to think that women can just be written out of our vocabulary.”

“Half the population are women. Of course the NHS should use the word ‘woman’,” she adds.

These paragraphs are just a small part of quite a long article in the Telegraph but thought they would be of interest https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/02/23/health-sec-victoria-atkins-interview-mothers-nhs-trans/

She also talks about women and prisons and abortion being decriminalised. Full article can be read at https://archive.ph/Bm1bq

Utter bollocks

In every country that is seeing the vast impact on women and children the law underpins it

The GRA is our version

So many women bending to a biological falsification for a tiny minority. Only now are we seeing the major harms come to fruition. They will get greater though obviously.

No one stress tested it - no one asked a difficult question - if we do this can a male police officer do an intimate search on women? No because the politicians were fixated on men’s rights.

Only pro male, pro Labour would be pro GRA

Well I'm not pro male or particularly pro-Labour (I like Starmers version), so you are wrong there.
I think unless we go to a GC Ultra, hard line position where its not possible to have a trans identity, only male or female, then we need something like the GRA.

As I've said on numerous threads, I'd strengthen it and remove the anonymity aspect. I'm GC Lite though and believe there are people out there with gender dysphoria that need support.

As for what Labour will do from another thread

‘They want more LGBT+ people in Parliament and driving policy and there's money available to support those who'll stand. She (Labour spokesperson) wants activists on all fora’

If people don’t think the T won’t be more vocal then look around you to see what’s happening

People will vote Labour whilst claiming to be GC, obviously no one will change, but you won’t be able to say you didn’t know what they’re planning when it happens

Out in the real world LGBT is used as shorthand for gay. What is wrong with wanting more gay people in parliament?

Also I take with a pinch of salt what someone posted on here that they overheard from someone else's call.

You’d think T isn’t keen to influence policy at all

Utterly blind to what’s going on

If the ‘real world’ meant gay Stonewall wouldn’t be issue it is

I wonder if the GRA would've been introduced at all, if it wasn't for the Goodwin ruling from the ECHR.

As a Labour MP noted back in 2004:

Some Bills are timetabled in response to decisions by our courts and the European courts. The timetable for the Gender Recognition Bill, which had its Second Reading yesterday, was drafted in response to the need to protect the British taxpayer against liabilities as a result of the judgment by the European Court of Human Rights.

I think that going on about the T is a nice cover for people that have issues with the LGB, or who want to score political points by projecting a certain impression of politicians saying LGBT.

When the Conservatives lose we will see what happens. I think its going to be a damp squib of nothingness personally.

Laughable

Nice try but an utter joke from you. No surprise you resort to such horseshit.

Are you on here moaning about Stonewall in public bodies? If so why?

Adam, I really hope you’re right. Unfortunately, the example of other countries with left-leaning governments doesn’t inspire much confidence.

And you can cut out the idea that people who care about women’s rights are anti-LGB. Support for same-sex attracted people is very much part of the GC agenda here

What about cases where the T is directly causing problems for one or more of the LGB: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/02/lesbian-speed-dating-event-ban-trans-women/

Why would GC women who are opposed to the GRA be anti gay?

We don’t want lesbians to be harassed by males or what happened in Norway with free speech

We want clubs reserved for women only

The arguments on here are so bloody poor 😫

Only pro male, pro Labour would be pro GRA

So why have the Tories publicly stated v recently that they have NO plans to reform or repeal the GRA?

Are the Tories pro labour???

The idea that a party and their supporters, that have been in power for 14 years can blame an act made in 2004 for the erosion of womens rights (20 years ago) is quite frankly laughable.

Atkins should sort out the maternity scandals that have led to100s of women and babies that have died under her parties watch, instead of diversion and lies.

Maybe sort out the Doctors strike too?

Real issues, affecting real women but she sits on her hands.

Lots of people are homophobic. Not all GC people are feminists or supporting GC views because they support women. Some support GC views because they are traditionalists; those people are also less likely to accept LGB rights.

It's not "an argument" more an observation about possible motivations for people to be anti "LGBT", that are not about trans.

Maybe the people you know I have no idea

I have not seen homophobia from any FWR regulars in fact all spend time posting to support lesbians to be free from male entitlement and harassment.

If you know people you describe lob your ridiculous claim at them not at women on here.

There are several leading GC voices who are also evangelical Christian:

Paul Marshall, co-owner of GB news
https://conservativehome.com/2023/09/15/profile-paul-marshall-media-baron-in-the-making-and-the-man-who-could-shape-the-next-conservative-leadership-election/

Miriam Cates, obviously, and her buddy Danny Kruger.

Kemi Badenoch.

I would have thought that places on the Internet where these people are venerated and held up as speaking sense will attract others with common views. And evangelical Christians traditionally are not supportive of gay rights due to believing homosexuality is a sin.

Anyway, like I say, merely a reminder to be a bit on guard with people wanting to be negative about LGBT.

We should have evangelical Christians in parliament too.

Hitler was a vegetarian. I'm not saying that all vegetarians are like Hitler, but, just an observation about possible motivations for vegetarianism.

I'm not withdrawing anything. It's really not my issue of a reasonable observation makes you defensive. People can draw their own conclusions.

It's a tough balance because I would not place an evangelical Christian as a supporter of gay and lesbian people.

In that sense, GB News et Badenoch are somewhat suspect. I would not really expect an evangelical Christian to expend real effort supporting gay or lesbian people. If they were politically minded I would expect a sort of "you are useful" kind of support but I would be watching clearly on positive action. The anti trans element of the Conservatives tends to be very right wing. These were the same cohort who were pro section 28, anti gay marriage and wanted to keep differing ages of consent. It's not a very comfortable match in terms of why someone might be gender critical.

I mean that's ridiculous. A better analogy would be people at the time of Hitler claiming Naziism couldn't be bad because Hitler was a vegetarian and they are vegetarian too. Hitler is misunderstood because society is prejudiced against veggies 😂

Exactly what I mean, thank you. I think you are probably less brusque than me

There really is some crap being spouted

If LGB get to take policy forward in gov great. I welcome the support for lesbian night clubs, as the one being set up and hate crime or assault can include males who harass lesbian women for sex

Bring it on

You’ll need a different body than Stonewall lobbying Labour. Realistically it will be MEN who ask for change

The thread I quoted from was a transgender male demanding from Labour that changes are made. Not a lesbian

Posters ignoring the reality of this are part of the problem

There really is some crap being spouted

Indeed there is, all of it from GC posters..

You seem incapable of acknowledging that we are where we are because of 14 years of the Con party in Govt and even with all their rhetoric, the Cons have zero plans to amend, let alone repeal the GRA.

Perhaps the GRA isn't the source of the problem, rather that its the Tories.