Met Police officer convicted of 13 rapes and 1 kidnap

[afternoonoflife]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/met-police-officer-found-guilty-145602422.html

He was able to join the police despite being accused of the rape of a child in 2017.

This guy lived on our old estate and is notorious for seeing young teen girls. None of us knew he was a police officer though. It was only when his pic was released every one found out. His family is being targeted at the moment. It's so weird seeing him as a police officer. He was horrible but sort of that classic "bad boy" of the estate. Horrible bastard. He beat up a girl I am friends with too and when she went to the police around 8 years ago he wasn't even arrested for it. No idea how he's become an officer. He has to have a record surely to god.

Police vetting only really looks at risk based on previous records of interactions.

We need a new way to vet Police Officer candidates by being able to review propensity to commit sex offending and criminality risk factors.

Look at past behaviour outside the criminal justice system, vetting need to speak to ex and current girl friends and the people that know them most to see if they are aware of risk factors.

Current system isn't fit for purpose and hasn't been for a long time.

Police vetting checks aren't fit for purpose, how many more cases are awaiting in the wings to come out.

We need a check for propensity to commit crime, science based testing.

Past checks are all well and good but we need something much more a tune to looking at future propensity to commit sex offences and criminality and not just previous offenders.

How the hell can the police consider a candidate who has been accused of rape prior to application? It’s horrific. They have an enhanced dbs check so they would have known about the accusations. Two of the child rapes were investigated and deemed no further action until the last rape was committed and they then went back and re investigated.

He wasn’t even picked up by the data trawl they are using to sift for dodgy officers.

That is a Pandora’s Box we really don’t want to open.

Then they need to be out and loud. Instead of just standing by like chocolate teapot.
How many more of these are we going to hear about?

I was a woman in uniform. We didn't stand by and work with a chap we knew to be a rapist. We got the SIB in

And yes, we got absolute shit for "sobbing him in". Even the men who supported us had problems. Right until the SIB said "right, and now we're widening the investigation"

@Brefugee what’s SIB?

SIB - Royal Military Police, Special Investigation Branch - similar to the civilian police CID.

From my time in the armed forces, it was rife with sexual assaults and rape, almost without fail it was guys who were more senior than we were who were the perpetrators.

Rank and male privilege was almost always a way of life, unacceptable 😥

Thank you @nicola
It was really difficult for us to report this guy - we did it in the end, despite push back in our regiment, because we thought he might escalate. But we reported, and one of my mates (one of his victims) was pressured so much to retract we got the pafré involved.

"fellow" police officers need to do the same. Turning a blind eye is collusion.

I know two ex police officers who found themselves constantly blocked and then managed out after trying to report suspicions about colleagues.

It's not just the rogue police officers themselves, it's the whole organisation around them protecting them from consequences. So the police force lost two decent coppers to protect two rotten ones.

This is the problem - I don’t literally think all cops are bastards, but unfortunately enough are, and the organisation is so rotten and institutionally misogynist and racist, that it makes no difference.

Look at Cressida Dick and Jean Charles de Menezes. That should have been career ending. Any of us could have been murdered in cold blood on a tube train, simply for living in the same block of flats as a terror suspect, and there were no repercussions for anyone involved in that operation whatsoever.

I know a damn good, and relatively senior, officer who has just left before he was pushed. Exactly the same as you’ve said - losing a good officer to protect the bad ones.

I've long believed that therapy and treatment don't change men who commit rape and sexual offences.

Isn't it about time that the government brought in a law that men convicted of rape and sexual offences are castrated?

Castrating rapists would keep women and girls safe and act as a deterrent to men who might be tempted to commit sexual offences.

Castration is neither the answer nor a deterrent. Sex offences are borne in the mind, not the genitals. Plus, the vast majority of people who commit sexual offences don’t consider the implications of getting caught, often because they just don’t think it’s going to happen.

Thank you for sticking to your guns.

This is an appalling story; we cannot become inured to it.

The police have to sort it out.

Research showed that castration of sex offenders meant that if they were unable to rape they often committed sadistic acts instead.

As Wintermorn says, it's not only a sex thing, it's a power/control/abuse thing.

I still advocate the idea that if a man who's a sex offender is castrated they wouldn't be able to rape.

I do take your point about sadistic acts.

Indefinite detention might be a better solution, along with, I still believe, castration; if they are unable to produce testosterone, surely that would be safer.

They rape with objects, @Nicola1978x

I don’t know whether there’s a better solution - something more sedative than actual/chemical castration.

We could ask Alan Turing.

Oh...

I think they should be tagged and subject to a curfew. And made to attend some form of "learning about consent"/abusive man therapy.

Unfortunately it seems almost impossible to convict, and when they are convicted there are still plenty of people prepared to believe the "false accusation, life ruined" narrative so the reality is there is no appetite to make changed and most rapists can just go about their lives doing what they like.

@AdamRyan this already happens, but some people can’t be tagged for various reasons.

Penile Plethysmography is another way to assess the risk that male sex offenders present and is used in the US and Europe looking at Google.

Perhaps the penile plethysmography technique was incorporated in risk assessment and used as an additional tool to identify propensity to sex offending.

Could it be used as an aid to vetting those in positions where they have access to the vulnerable? Prevention is better than cure theory?

What is it? Penile thingy?