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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The reality of losing sex based language

14 replies

Justme56 · 21/02/2024 11:51

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/f4b617ac-7549-4cd7-b4e7-52dca0fd0c22

Listen from around 16.32.40 onwards.

Parliamentlive.tv

Preterm Birth Committee

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/f4b617ac-7549-4cd7-b4e7-52dca0fd0c22

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WitchyWitcherson · 21/02/2024 12:05

I want to give that woman a hug 😢❤

ArabellaScott · 21/02/2024 12:19

WitchyWitcherson · 21/02/2024 12:05

I want to give that woman a hug 😢❤

Same. Flowers

UltraLiteLife · 21/02/2024 12:20

Very moving.

I respect and admire Ciara so much for being able to stay composed and speak her truth.

UltraLiteLife · 21/02/2024 12:38

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/f4b617ac-7549-4cd7-b4e7-52dca0fd0c22?in=16:32:34

It starts at 16.32.40 but I hope this time stamp helps. This is so distressing but very necessary. Listen to women.

Parliamentlive.tv

Preterm Birth Committee

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/f4b617ac-7549-4cd7-b4e7-52dca0fd0c22?in=16%3A32%3A34

Chickenrunning · 21/02/2024 12:41

I listened from a bit earlier, and I found the use of ‘parent’ by the woman before jarring in places. Ciara is right. The maternal and paternal experiences of pregnancy, birth and caring for a newborn are vastly different.

Rightsraptor · 21/02/2024 12:49

Of course the experience of being a mother and father differ. They are different roles in the child's life.

There's been a push for a few years now to pretend that they are interchangeable and this is one more way of removing the importance of biology.

SoupDragonsFriend · 21/02/2024 12:58

I'd like to give her a hug her too. Her words were powerful and important.💐

UltraLiteLife · 21/02/2024 13:04

The part about the visit to her home. And the re-trauma through language which obviously felt as if her end to end experience was being minimised in service of the needs of people who weren't in the room.

She was in the room. She needed respect for who she was, what she was going through, and language that made her feel comfortable.

I'd not heard of Ciara Curran's Little Heartbeats before today. It's excellent and sad that so many women across the world are in touch with her because they need to be seen, acknowledged and listened to by someone who understands.

IcakethereforeIam · 21/02/2024 13:47

I worked with a guy whose baby died in the womb, close to term. His wife, the baby's mother had to go through labour to deliver...a corpse. No man will ever have to do that. They will experience loss and grief but they will never have to do that.

I was horrified when he told me this, my heart went out to them, but I had no idea until I had my own children. I think I am empathetic but it took having my own babies to show me I really didn't have the foggiest. I don't think anyone can unless you've been through it yourself. Flowers to all the women who experience this.

I feel it underlines how unlike mothers tw actually are. How lacking in compassion, how selfish, to remove or debase those words. To take away any little crumb that will help a mother deal with her ordeal.

CorruptedCauldron · 21/02/2024 19:04

It was a moving and very important speech. People need to know that erasing “woman” and “mother” is deeply damaging. It’s not some small act of kindness to a marginalised group, it’s a bloody sledgehammer through the lived experience of the female sex class. It’s causing misery, pain and anguish to women going through the darkest time of their lives. That’s indefensible.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/02/2024 19:14

Thank you Ciara. That was so powerful and moving. Those words should be compulsory listening for every empathy absent medic who fails to use accurate sex based language.

ArabellaScott · 21/02/2024 20:08

CorruptedCauldron · 21/02/2024 19:04

It was a moving and very important speech. People need to know that erasing “woman” and “mother” is deeply damaging. It’s not some small act of kindness to a marginalised group, it’s a bloody sledgehammer through the lived experience of the female sex class. It’s causing misery, pain and anguish to women going through the darkest time of their lives. That’s indefensible.

Yep. Why is it women who are expected to give everything up? Our language, our words, our spaces, our kindness.

The absolute cruellest bastard thing is to try to insist we give up our most meaningful words to appease the identity crisis of a tiny handful of people with identity issues.

No. Fuck off.

UltraLiteLife · 21/02/2024 20:12

Good story from the DM that captures the power of Ciara Curran's testimony:

Ms Curran, from Chinley, Derbyshire, said that seeing the words mother and woman being erased from healthcare communications reminded her of that traumatic experience.
She said the removal of such terms, part of a wider woke movement within the NHS, was incredibly hurtful to other mothers who have also lost their babies.
Demanding sex-based language is preserved Ms Curran said: 'It is extremely important for women who have experienced pregnancy or infant loss are recognised as mothers and not just a generic parent.
'To refuse us this status of mother in language is incredibly hurtful.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13108207/Grieving-mother-gripping-teddy-memory-late-daughter-slams-dehumanising-NHS-erasure-terms-like-mother.html

Mother's plea to the Lords to stop NHS erasing mother and women

Ciara Curran from Chinley, Derbyshire held a teddy in memory of her daughter as she told Lords that the gender-neutral de-sexing of NHS language was dehumanising to traumatised mothers.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13108207/Grieving-mother-gripping-teddy-memory-late-daughter-slams-dehumanising-NHS-erasure-terms-like-mother.html

UltraLiteLife · 24/05/2024 09:28

Bumping this because it's relevant to threads about inclusive language.

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