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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
MarieDeGournay · 17/02/2024 12:17

This seems to have failed on two points, firstly the claim of religious discrimination, and secondly the threat to the 'safety' of NWCI personnel.

The religious grounds Ms Adams cited were her “lack of belief that people can change sex”, as she accused the NWCI of taking a “religious” position on the rights of transgender people and that she was therefore entitled to be protected from discrimination under the equality legislation.

There's a well-established understanding of what a religion is in Ireland, and, alas, what religious discrimination is. Although we often say that trans ideology is like a religion, it's not a religion.

She also claimed the Irish word “creideamh” used in the equality legislation had a broader meaning than the English word “religion”.

B'fhéifir, ach ..maybe, because 'creideamh' literally means 'belief' not religion, with echoes of beliefs being ruled WORIADS in the Forstater case; but this argument seems to be beyond the remit of the WRC. Maybe there'll be an appeal to a higher court where this argument could be made?

The 'we felt unsafe' claim is a familiar one, and unfortunately years of 'we are the most marginalised group in society', and presenting GC activists as hysterical headbangers, have taken root, and rejecting the unwelcome presence of one of 'them' probably seemed reasonable enough to the WRC.

Ms Adams is the second activist from the group to lose a discrimination complaint over the events of June 9th 2022, her fellow Countess activist Sarah Holmes having also referred a claim on similar grounds.

Thank you to Sandra and Sarah for stepping up, and sorry the rulings went against you.

Plan B for future legal challenges? Adoption of undefined terms like 'gender', 'durable' , 'strive to' etc into law? Eradication of one of the Protected Categories by eliminating the definition of the category through self-identification?

donquixotedelamancha · 17/02/2024 13:15

This seems like a total non-starter. If you are using disruption tactics (which can work to bring attention to a topic) you can hardly moan when you get kicked out.

miri1985 · 17/02/2024 14:10

donquixotedelamancha · 17/02/2024 13:15

This seems like a total non-starter. If you are using disruption tactics (which can work to bring attention to a topic) you can hardly moan when you get kicked out.

Yeah I read the judgment and the belief aspect wasn't even considered because of the safety aspect. While I fully believe the NWCI would discriminate on the basis of gender critical belief, the communication the night before that the Countess were planning on staging an action meant that there were legitimate grounds to exclude.

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Celeriacisquitenice · 17/02/2024 18:17

There were certainly reasonable grounds to exclude.

This was a waste of time and effort.

I actually think bringing the court cases make GC women look ridiculous and bigoted and I consider myself GC.

WomenShouldStillWinWomensSports · 17/02/2024 20:22

Frivolous lawsuit. Waste of time. She wasn't a member and they didn't let her in. She made a press release saying she wanted to target individuals in the building and they didn't let her in. TBH the hotel and group did a good job protecting someone, regardless of which side of the GC/TRA fence they were on.

If Ireland had a secret service I'd suggest she was a plant to make us look batshit.

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