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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"Gender" differences in sport

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Mochudubh · 16/02/2024 13:26

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/68251042

Surprisingly good report from the BBC on increased risks to women in sport. (unfortunate they still say gender not sex)..

A couple of the most pertinent paragraphs.

It is not just rugby. A 2021 study found teenage girls who play football are almost twice as much at risk of concussion as teenage boys, with girls more likely to be concussed on contact with the ball or a goalpost.

There will never be a one-size-fits-all for any injury but, as Chelsea manager Emma Hayes has said, women are not small men.

'Four months of lying in the dark' - concussion and the gender gap

Some research suggests women are at a higher risk of concussion - but what is the impact of a head injury and how can it affect a female athlete?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/68251042

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PaterPower · 16/02/2024 13:37

Was about to post something similar after seeing a local news report on the testing the RFU have started.

One of the interesting stats (from a 2021 study on football - differences between teenage boys and girls after concussions) quoted in the article is that female players showed twice the risk of serious consequences.

I particularly liked the quote: “There will never be a one-size-fits-all for any injury but, as Chelsea manager Emma Hayes has said, women are not small men.

Which begs the question why some rugby associations (eg Canada) still permit male / transwomen participation in amateur female leagues.

The Beeb weren’t ’stunning and brave’ enough to raise that point though.

Your pelvic floor is the epicentre for a female athlete

As an industry, women's sport lacks expertise, and too often treats competitors as small men

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/07/31/pelvic-floor-female-athletes-emma-hayes-womens-world-cup/

CrossPurposes · 16/02/2024 14:03

Interestingly, the headline now reads "Concussion in women: New research under way into impact on female athletes" and neither the words sex or gender feature anywhere in the article.

Helleofabore · 16/02/2024 15:42

Does everyone remember this when it first came out. The BBC did report on it at the time.

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/long-term-brain-damage-could-be-a-significantly-bigger-issue-in-womens-rugby-than-mens-says-lead-concussion-doctor/

The research was the first of its kind: it found that the impacts in women’s rugby were far beyond what had previously been thought. “With tackling, what we haven’t seen is those hard impacts that you see in the men’s game,” Dr Williams says, “what we are seeing is harder whiplash motion hits, with head to knee and head to ground impacts.

“The first time I actually saw how hard [the impacts the women received] were, it was somebody going head to knee, head to ground, with no control of their head at all; no conscious awareness of her body in space. That’s when my blood went cold. I thought the sensors must be wrong. That was when I went back, and I looked at all the data and I recalibrated all the sensors. I did all of the steps that you would do if you’re not sure that your equipment is reading right. And it was reading fine. And we saw those [high impact readings] throughout the season.”

Dr Williams’ latest work now explains the reason behind the whiplash motions we see in women’s rugby: women’s neck strength is so unfathomably low compared to men, that many women have absolutely no control over their heads when going into contact.

“Even just watching the Black Ferns play England, you can see that even the best women in the world have that tendency for that whiplash motion,” Dr Williams explains, “a lot less than the university women, a lot less, but they still throw their heads. The Black Ferns are awesome, but I don’t know if their neck strength would be on par with our university men.”

At the elite level, the lower body strength between men and women is closer, with men squatting around 100kg more than women, but men’s upper body strength is “triple or quadruple” the strength of women’s, Dr Williams explains. “When you get to your neck, there’s so few studies on it that it’s hard to generalise. When we look at all of the results we have got… the women’s neck strength has been considerably lower than the men across sports and across all levels of the game as well.”

There were a couple of outliers in the research, women’s rugby players whose scores are on par with the lowest of the men’s, but it’s a rare occurrence. That gives Dr Williams hope, she says, because it tells us that neck strength is trainable. “It’s not that we’re stuck in this ‘women have weaker necks therefore we’re always going to see these massive head-to-ground impacts’”, she explains, “it is trainable. That’s really awesome, it’s just getting buy-in from the women who don’t want to look like The Hulk.”

The England women’s team have been using neck training since 2014, one senior player tells me, to improve the stability of their necks. Some clubs in the Allianz Premier 15s have adopted neck training too, using exercise bands to improve the strength of their necks and hopefully prevent concussion. This research, while scary, is not a terminal diagnosis for the women’s game.

So are women more susceptible to concussion than men? “Absolutely they are”, Dr Williams says, nodding furiously, “and there are a number of reasons for that, some of which we can’t change and some of which we can.

Long-term brain damage likely a significantly bigger issue in women's rugby than men's, says lead concussion doctor

According to a lead researcher on concussion in rugby, the story of long-term brain damage for women’s rugby players is bleaker than men's.

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/long-term-brain-damage-could-be-a-significantly-bigger-issue-in-womens-rugby-than-mens-says-lead-concussion-doctor/

Helleofabore · 16/02/2024 15:44

The gist of the above is that female people have more delicate necks meaning greater movement of the head. This combines with more delicate brain fibres within the brain then being subject to much higher than male level movement. Leading to much greater damage.

And THAT is just from female to female contact.

Add a male body at a male pace with a male physique being in contact with a female body, well, you can imagine that it is very dangerous indeed.

Yet, English rugby allows males to play as female people.

Mochudubh · 16/02/2024 16:11

It's so frustrating that we are essentially having to re-invent the wheel by proving scientifically something that has been obvious for thousands of years i.e. that women are (generally) physically "weaker*" than men.

*Sorry, can't think of a better term at the moment but you know what I mean.

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Helleofabore · 16/02/2024 16:30

duc748 · 16/02/2024 16:14

Edited

apologies. You are right.

There is the case that where that male player was taking them to court, are they still?

whoami24601 · 16/02/2024 16:53

duc748 · 16/02/2024 16:14

Edited

Who is monitoring though? I play grassroots rugby and refused to play a match a few weeks ago with what looked (and sounded) like 2 male players. The match went ahead anyway.

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