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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
determinedtomakethiswork · 16/02/2024 09:33

I saw that! That poor woman. It's unbelievable.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/02/2024 09:39

Is this another organisation which has lost sight of why it exists and is instead focussing on things some of its staff find more interesting and important?

chuffnstuffs · 16/02/2024 09:41

Wow, what the heck were they thinking?

ImARubbishNickKnowles · 16/02/2024 09:42

She was just asking what pronouns were and how they worked ... not even given the opportunity to refuse to use them.

And MS is another one of those pesky transphobic diseases that treats male and female bodies differently whichever gender the person identifies as. Perhaps they should have a word with MS itself?

TheSlantedOwl · 16/02/2024 09:43

Fucking hell. The stupidity and unkindness, to do that to a 90 year old woman who was simply asking a question. They should be ashamed - but they won’t be.

WickedSerious · 16/02/2024 09:44

chuffnstuffs · 16/02/2024 09:41

Wow, what the heck were they thinking?

I guess they were thinking how kind and inclusive they are.

SamW98 · 16/02/2024 09:45

This is in the US btw

And rather than admit they’ve been fucking ridiculous the MS society spokesperson doubled down on the decision being correct ffs

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MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 16/02/2024 09:46

I wonder if it occurred to ANYONE that shit canning a NINETY YEAR old who'd volunteered for sixty years was, as the saying goes, not really good optics, and I'm guessing that the answer is no.

The organization says it plans to "reach out to Fran," but it is unclear whether or not she will be allowed to volunteer for the MS Society again

Reach out? what, and hope she'll come crawling back full of repentance and begging to be allowed to volunteer for a place that treats her like shit?

WickedSerious · 16/02/2024 09:49

She probably volunteered for longer than most of those pandering shitwits have been on this planet.

redboxer321 · 16/02/2024 09:49

I volunteered with the MS Society many moons ago. It was in the UK, I didn't realise this was in the US till now.
I didn't last long. I've never worked with such nasty, toxic, vile people in my life. It was truly awful.
I am not at all suprised that this poor woman has been treated in such an appalling way.

Datun · 16/02/2024 09:51

WickedSerious · 16/02/2024 09:44

I guess they were thinking how kind and inclusive they are.

This.

this fucking ideology turns people into the opposite of kind and inclusive

DaphneMoo · 16/02/2024 09:54

I donated monthly until last year when I stopped due to them going on about identified genders, when a society that deals with a disease that has a biological sex link thinks identity is foremost, I can't trust them. I donated as my mother had Ms from a young age which resulted in her dying young, even back then she was very negative about the MS society and how it was run not for the benefit of people living with MS. I was a bit surprised after more than 20 years of monthly donations they didn't enquire why I stopped.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 16/02/2024 09:56

I’d love to see their policy on ageism!

Flowers4me · 16/02/2024 11:34

What an absolutely disgraceful way to treat such a long-standing volunteer. Totally lack of empathy and respect for this lady whose late husband had the condition. I can't imagine how she would be feeling after being treated so shoddily. The MS Charity need to take a long hard look at themselves; they preach about inclusion but then don't apply it.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/02/2024 11:37

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 16/02/2024 09:39

Is this another organisation which has lost sight of why it exists and is instead focussing on things some of its staff find more interesting and important?

This.

Helen Joyce says that this ideology breaks institutions and when you look at the excessive levels of bullying and intimidation handed out by its supporters it's hard to argue against that.

Helleofabore · 16/02/2024 11:48

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/02/2024 11:37

This.

Helen Joyce says that this ideology breaks institutions and when you look at the excessive levels of bullying and intimidation handed out by its supporters it's hard to argue against that.

This is such a very good point.

Datun · 16/02/2024 11:57

Helleofabore · 16/02/2024 11:48

This is such a very good point.

It is. And breaking institutions is a good way of describing it.

A woman with 60 years of volunteering behind her. For fuck's sake.

TeatimeBiscuits · 16/02/2024 11:59

In the Uk an awful lot of MS research is funded by JKR, whose mother had MS. She finds a centre in Edinburgh called the Anne Rowling centre and does a huge amount of good. (Just for ironic background info)

TrainedByCatsToBeScathing · 16/02/2024 12:00

Appalling behaviour by MS Society and theres so little protection for volunteers

allthevitamins · 16/02/2024 12:18

Trans inclusion = easy, fun, sexy, edgy

Disability inclusion = difficult, mundane, real, needed

I guess some people deserve to be included more than others.

George Orwell anyone?

Says it all really.

SamW98 · 16/02/2024 12:20

allthevitamins · 16/02/2024 12:18

Trans inclusion = easy, fun, sexy, edgy

Disability inclusion = difficult, mundane, real, needed

I guess some people deserve to be included more than others.

George Orwell anyone?

Says it all really.

Age inclusion - fuck off old lady no one cares about you old fossils

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Fallenangelofthenorth · 16/02/2024 12:24

redboxer321 · 16/02/2024 09:49

I volunteered with the MS Society many moons ago. It was in the UK, I didn't realise this was in the US till now.
I didn't last long. I've never worked with such nasty, toxic, vile people in my life. It was truly awful.
I am not at all suprised that this poor woman has been treated in such an appalling way.

Me too! They were really fucking rude and ungrateful I found. I only did a year - the relief when I resigned was immense.

redboxer321 · 16/02/2024 12:48

@Fallenangelofthenorth
You did far better than me, I didn't even get close to lasing a year!

I still get flashbacks whenever I hear anything about MS. Unbelievable really but there it is.

Fallenangelofthenorth · 16/02/2024 12:54

@redboxer321 I only did a year because I was trying to impress the boss of my actual paid job with my charidee work 😂

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 16/02/2024 13:04

I suspect this is just an excuse to get rid of her because they couldn't bring themselves to tell her her time was no longer needed or wanted. I have to do this with volunteers in my own organisation, for myriad reasons, it's not always because the volunteer has done anything wrong. It's always awkward and difficult to break it to someone that even though the organisation appreciates the time they give up and the obvious passion for the "cause", their time is no longer required. It's not quite as difficult when they have done something wrong because then you can give them a concrete reason why, but sometimes the penny doesn't drop straight away and they find it really difficult to grasp that they are essentially being told they are no longer welcome.

There are certain strictures placed upon third sector organisations that use volunteer labour by their commissioners, and we have to ensure the volunteers work within those parameters at all times. There are certain scenario I can conceive of whereby a volunteer might be expressing a point of view or an opinion that is perfectly reasonable in a normal setting, but due to the conditions of our funding would be completely inappropriate for them to air while carrying out their function as a volunteer part of the organisation, and in that case, I would have to terminate that relationship.

It does rather seem in this case that they have over-reacted massively to someone simply asking questions.

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