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A Man Has Spoken: There is a way out of cancel culture – but it’s not free speech (involves Jo Phoenix)

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RethinkingLife · 15/02/2024 22:46

There is a way out of cancel culture – but it’s not free speech
A competing human rights framework would help the likes of Jo Phoenix and her critics into a dialogue shaped by active listening, says Andy Hargreaves
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/opinion/there-way-out-cancel-culture-its-not-free-speech

If you don't have access to THES it's on one of the usual sites.

A taster, in which a man declaims.

When I was starting my academic career at the UK’s Open University (OU), feminism was against the determinism of biological sex as the defining force in identity. The malleable influences of gender and culture were emphasised instead.
So it seems odd that gender-critical feminists such as <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/ZY5lL/www.timeshighereducation.com/news/open-university-wont-appeal-jo-phoenix-ruling" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Jo Phoenix now insist on its primacy.

But people who identify as transgender have compelling human rights too…People with transgender identities aren’t taking a cheap ticket away from “normal” life.

Adopting only that second human rights position, numerous OU faculty made Phoenix’s life so difficult that she felt compelled to resign – a “hostile environment” from which the university was criticised for failing to protect her in an <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/ZY5lL/www.timeshighereducation.com/news/jo-phoenix-every-single-v-c-should-read-judgment" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">employment tribunal ruling last month.
Women’s and transgender rights are just one spiky cultural controversy in our educational institutions.

Are FWR posters tempted to rend garments for the revelation of collective ignorance? This man has come to explain what wims should have been doing all along.

Jo Phoenix robust response:

How would this help Phoenix and her critics? It would bring them together in facilitated dialogue, guided by protocols that ensure active listening. Rights and risks would be addressed on both sides. Clear ground rules would be set, such as civility, empathy, humility, forgiveness, rationality and practicality. It might even encourage transgender students and scholars to work together with gender-critical peers on common projects that create mutual understanding."

HargreavesBC - with the greatest respect, Your portrayal of what happened is wholly in accurate. I am not a biological determinist. I say that there is social salience and that there are times and places where sex matters more than gender identity in organisations and policies.

I follow the rules of my profession at all times. I act with civility.

Those who wanted to shut the debate down do not. They play the person and not they ideas. They harassed me. They called for discrimination. They acted unlawfully.

There can be no facilitated dialogue when one side is acting unlawfully and the other side is doing what we are paid to do. That is why there is a 156 page judgement from an ET.

https://twitter.com/JoPhoenix1/status/1758091568014049502

There is a way out of cancel culture – but it’s not free speech

A competing human rights framework would help the likes of Jo Phoenix and her critics into a dialogue shaped by active listening, says Andy Hargreaves 

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/opinion/there-way-out-cancel-culture-its-not-free-speech

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popebishop · 15/02/2024 23:01

The second you see someone claiming that GC is "bio essentialist" is the moment you realise they haven't understood even the most basic tenet of what they are talking about. Like those mentioned on another thread who thought Gender Critical meant you think gender stereotypes are "critical" ie essential....

It's maddening that they pretend to think this is what's being claimed. Or that they actually thought it and went ahead and wrote an article anyway.

RethinkingLife · 15/02/2024 23:08

I have a delicate sense that the author blundered in and decided that he had wisdom to share without any sense that the main actors know considerably more not only about this topic but the uses and abuses of the framework he recommends.

The entire article was clichés with a hefty side order of telling grandmothers how to suck eggs. It all added up to, "Tell me you don't understand this situation without ever stating that".

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Brainworm · 15/02/2024 23:22

When I was starting my academic career at the UK’s Open University (OU), feminism was against the determinism of biological sex as the defining force in identity

This is the problem- centring identity. It really isn't hard to grasp that we don't give a fuck about identity and whether or not biology features in anyone's.

RethinkingLife · 16/02/2024 08:27

Jo Phoenix was dignified in response to him. I suppose this gives even more for her to speak about with Sonia Sodha at the UCL event.

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LarkLane · 16/02/2024 12:11

An excellent and measured response from Jo Phoenix. As always.
Surely she must be on knob head overload by now?
They are like moths to a light source.

RoyalCorgi · 16/02/2024 13:05

It's maddening that they pretend to think this is what's being claimed. Or that they actually thought it and went ahead and wrote an article anyway.

It's impossible to tell, isn't it? Are they really so stupid that they've misunderstood a very simple point? Or are they deliberately misrepresenting?

popebishop · 16/02/2024 20:22

I've been posting here for years and have had to stop asking "are they lying or thick?" because it was risking becoming a catchphrase...

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