Transman sexual predator

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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f3ee5b2b-80c3-469a-a9f9-7b022f8debbb?shareToken=0a698258e427aaceb9daf321a6ecc7c5

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My husband read the article and mentioned it to me as the Times finally getting sex-pronouns right. We thought oh this is Janice Turner's influence in using correct-sex pronouns for sexual predators. Tentative applause.
But righty-o, here we have the Times incorrectly sexing a predator.

So a few thoughts..
This is very rare and shocking. We are used to hearing of males doing this, but a woman?
Poor kids.

Scanned this briefly this morning. I had not realised it was a female perp.

Vicious and awful women exist. No reason some of them wouldn't identify as... well, anything and everything, judging by the pronoun mishmash going on between one judgement and the next arrest.

One wonders whether trying to leave the previous criminal ID behind might have been part of the reasoning here, though.

I have a feeling that Scott wont be demanding to be housed in a male prison if given a custodial sentence.

One wonders whether trying to leave the previous criminal ID behind might have been part of the reasoning here, though.

Yes. It's a loophole that should be removed for everyone.

Relatively speaking, media disproportionately cover female perpetrators of violence because it's comparatively rare.

I hope the victims are receiving appropriate support and care.

I saw this yesterday. Interesting, although I think the accused is now identifying as a female again. Probably doesn't want to be in a men's prison.

i wonder if she was taking testosterone

The pronouns in that article are all over the place! Shows how meaningless it is.

His solicitor will be arguing like buggery for him not sent to Peterhead prison.

I knew this person was a TM without looking closely. Why do so many copy the same fake mannerisms (the weird snarl thing, in this instance)?

I feel sorry for the victims here.

Put "him" in a male prison, I have no sympathy for pedophiles

Yes, there's definitely an issue with people getting these sudden high doses of testosterone and not being able to handle it.

I’m not sure it matters whether this offender was/is taking testosterone.

The pronouns nonsense as ever does nothing to help with any of this. Sometimes women do terrible things. It’s important to be clear about it when it does happen.

The offender is female so should be housed in the female estate.

It might matter.

What are the side effects of taking testosterone for a female?

Does it increase aggression?

Does it increase risk-taking behaviour?

Is there any research on this?

There was at one point one TIF in a male prison in Scotland.

Yes, there's the famous Swedish Cohort study amongst others. Lots of threads on MN that I can't find but there is a discussion of it by Murray Blackburn Mackenzie.

https://mbmpolicy.files.wordpress.com/2021/04/mbm-briefing-on-dhjene-et-al.-april-2021-1.pdf

Thanks.

'There is however a significantly higher risk of criminality among the female-to-
male transitioned group, compared to the female control group, both for all crime, which is 4.1 times higher (CI 2.5-6.9), and for violent crime, which is 7.2 times higher '
...
'female-to-male transitioners are likely to adopt male pattern offending.'

Just think about the effects of testosterone on men's aggression.

Then realise the majority of them are keeping in control of it most of the time.

Then imagine the effects of it on a woman who's not used to it.

What about the socio-psychological effects? What happens when a woman mimicks what she perceives as typical male behaviour?

I think that sometimes people, including women, are just terrible people who do terrible things.

Looking at the photo in the article, it seems likely that she used the fact she presented herself like a young teen boy to gain access to her young teenage victims.

Maybe testosterone increased aggression or whatever, but ultimately it doesn’t matter nor does it explain the crime.

So just for clarity, we are supposed to use the pronouns the person identified with at the time of the offence when discussing the details of the offence but use different pronouns in talking about current events if the person now uses different pronouns? As that seems to be what the article does.

Plus we’re fine to include that the offender is transgender in the opening paragraph? Or does that only apply to female to male transitioners?

That’s all clear then.

So just for clarity, we are supposed to use the pronouns the person identified with at the time of the offence when discussing the details of the offence but use different pronouns in talking about current events if the person now uses different pronouns?

Also, when referring to a court case, I think we're supposed to use the pronouns the person identified or identifies with at the time of the court case, even if different from those the person identified with at the time of the offence.

Additionally, if there is more than one court case, when referring to a previous court case, we're supposed to use the pronouns the person identified with at the time of that court case, even if different from those the person identified or identifies with at the time if a later or current court case.

Awful case, as they all are. I always feel so sorry for the victims.

Like pp the headline alone looks different to how they do for TW. Why is trans on the headline rather than man? We have see.woman peodophile, woman rapist etc. In headlines when it’s obviously a TW.

The difference in language is misogynistic it’s always about minimising what men do and blaming women. It may be unconscious, it may be because the person bounces from one presentation to another but ultimately it’s not consistent.

My first thought was testosterone too. Can the victims sue the doctor prescribing it and the pharmaceutical company making and distributing it?

Wow, that's shocking - and to me, surprising, particularly since male-to-female transitioners actually seem to have an increased likelihood of committing sex offences when compared to other men, so they're obviously not adopting female pattern offending (I don't recall seeing statistics on other types of crime).