House of Lords debate

[rabbitwoman]

i have only just finished watching all five hours of this debate, so forgive me if i missed the thread on it, i looked but could not see anything.

Anyway, i watched open mouthed at all the speakers standing up and literally saying what we have been trying to say for so long. i was so heartened that it really does look as though this might be coming to an end.

However, i didn't notice any of the speakers bringing up what i reckon is my biggest problem with his bill, as a teacher.

surely conversion therapy goes both ways? and if, as the bill is trying to do, softer practices such as just having a conversation or just stating an opinion were to become outlawed, where would that put schools who push and pedal LGBTQ identities in every part of the school?

it seems very possible for a child to identify as trans at school and then desist when older, only to look back at their school years later and decide that they were actually a victim to conversion practices perpetrated by staff.

i just wondered if this had featured anywhere in the numerous objections to this bill?

It is a stunning watch, so compelling that I watched the whole thing (in chunks).

I also wondered whether the supporters of a ban would accept that it would need to go both ways and would apply to affirmation. Where the relevant criminal sanctions would also apply.

Other thoughts:

From those in support of the ban it was all about the gay except for one tale that was in the UK but sounded like malpractice by an individual medical profressional.

Those in support of the ban were arguing about individuals. It was about "me", someone they know, or someone they've heard of. Baroness Barker said that they cannot base their legislation on evidence because to create that evidence would be unethical so they must leglislate based on individuals' accounts of their own experiences.

The Cass review was central to the best informed speakers. We're lucky to have it in the UK. Other countries need something similar.

If I understood correctly, Keira Bell briefed some of the speaker the day before the debate. Such much for the rumours about her having retransitioned.

My main impression was that the Lords have really sharpened up their act in terms of understanding what's been going on and are seeing this much more in terms of conflicting rights and safeguarding and are not basing their views on #bekind and #mostoppressed. If we get a Labour government pushing through a Conversion Therapy Bill I'd expect the Commons to be nodding donkeys in the main and then for the Lords to really lay into the Bill.

I have tried signposting a couple of people towards the key points of the debate, and have received a lot of negativity about how the house of Lords is perceived. People still think it's mostly hereditary, so steeped in establishment, ruling class ignorance.

Si I tried to point out that most of the speakers weren't hereditary Lords, and the responses were that they were given peerages by corrupt governments.

I sighed.

Do either of you have a link where I could watch it by any chance?
I’d google, but I’m not entirely sure what I’m googling for

Gosh, how remiss of me not to have included the link!

Here you go FreebieWallopFridge: https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/ba53cd1c-1543-4c80-9574-4768ed2247c8

You don't need to watch it all in one go. If you stop, just note where you've got to in the Index in the right hand panel, and when you resume you can click on the relevant part of the Index and it will take you directly to the relevant point. It finishes at 14.50.

Thank you! 😊