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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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ArabellaScott · 06/02/2024 21:26

Gosh, imagine if transitioning was banned on the basis it was conversion therapy.

ArabellaScott · 06/02/2024 21:28

Great to see that spelled out so clearly and with good quotes from Bev Jackson and Helen Joyce.

KCandtheSunlightBand · 06/02/2024 21:28

Kemi Badenoch is an awesome politician, and as a life long Labour voter (up to the point when I realised they had no interest in women’s rights) I never thought I would write that sentence.
She has such clear thought process, and depth of knowledge of this subject. She said she would provide evidence of this and here it is.

Will that woeful lot on the committee (particularly Kate Osborne) take any notice? I doubt it. How will they square this information with Starmers recent speech? How will they be able to say ‘ we didn’t know’ when the shit hits the fan, as it will, in a few years time?

IwantToRetire · 06/02/2024 21:38

I think the fact that she followed up (as well as her direct question "are you calling me a liar") is in fact what makes her stand out.

But unfortunately not something that I think Tory Party members think is an essential quality.

Although according to a post on the KB appreciation thread, she is a useless local MP. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5001696-in-praise-of-kemi-badenoch

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/02/2024 21:41

I think this is following up a recent testy meeting ('epidemic'). I think there was a thread but I can't find it.

It was her report to the "Women" and Equalities Committee with the odious Caroline Nokes chairing, and the equally odious Kate Osborne laid into her twisting her words to make them sound more objectionable, but she gave as good as she got.

Apollo441 · 06/02/2024 22:15

The WEC brought this up, I look forward to their reply. I doubt they will address or acknowledge any of the points made because they really can't. Instead, we will get some sanctimonious wibbling, more appeals to 'be kind' and more false allegations against Badenoch.

I think the ban on conversion therapy should, as it's no.1 priority, ban transitioning. It's the only form of conversion therapy happening in real life and it is demonstrably harming children.

IcakethereforeIam · 06/02/2024 22:44

Thank you @IwantToRetire I knew I'd seen one. Didn't come up on a search.

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ScrollingLeaves · 06/02/2024 22:54

How good it is that KB clearly understands this issue, and that by voicing her concerns in this way she will have enabled others to do so too.

Helleofabore · 07/02/2024 03:44

Thanks OP for highlighting this article.

this paragraph needs repeating over and over.

“A young person and their family may notice that they are gender non-conforming earlier than they are aware of their developing sexual orientation. If gender non-conformity is misinterpreted as evidence of being transgender and a child is medically affirmed, the child may not have had a chance to identify, come to terms with or explore a same-sex orientation.”

DeeLusional · 07/02/2024 03:54

ArabellaScott · 06/02/2024 21:26

Gosh, imagine if transitioning was banned on the basis it was conversion therapy.

A lot of people think that the "conversion" is trying to turn someone into the opposite sex and "conversion therapy" is trying to stop that happening. But that's what the Transcult are good at, twisting and changing language and meaning to confuse people. If more people understood that the "conversion therapy" the TRAs are against, is the effort to help young people discover why they have GID, more people would be up in arms about attempts to ban it.

Froodwithatowel · 07/02/2024 08:15

An excellent article and all excellent points.

It does though avoid the other big elephant in the room, which is that trans activism is actively hostile to homosexuality and loudly expresses this. Evidence everywhere, including on many, many MN threads where activists will demonstrate this in real time with monontonous reliability.

Requiring female homosexuals to 'learn to cope' with sex with males rather than commit the heinous heresy of not affirming their believed self, to actually validate a man with their body and expect not to enjoy it or consent to it but do a kind of unpaid sex worker duty thing? Is utterly abhorrent. How is this not conversion therapy? How is this not a part of requiring homosexuals to at least train themselves into bisexuality because to reject male bodies as a sex class group is seen as a crime? How is this not mad homophobia that cannot deal with the existence of a group of people who see sex and choose relationships on the basis of it?

And these kids are growing up in this culture. They are being fed these messages. They are being trained in the ideology at schools and the catcheisms are ingrained. They are being told, repeatedly, (as homosexual MNetters are right here on threads) 'almost no other lesbians feel like this, you are isolated and weird, you are alone, you are a bad person, all other lesbians are doing men and loving it'.

When a kid, a girl particularly, is being told that only evil and terrible people (who should be raped and kerb stomped for it) fail to want or feel they could even 'learn to cope' with sex with male bodied people but that identifying as a man provides her with the freedom to define herself as she chooses and be left alone with all her choices suddenly respected? And she's surrounded by other trained kids who will enforce this all upon her? That her homosexuality means she forfeits her right to sex being a matter of her choice, her pleasure, her consent and becomes something she must do willing or not?

How is she going to be able to come to terms with her homosexuality herself when her learned wisdom from adults is that she is bad, a 'vagina fetishist' at best? How is she supposed to make a choice that is going to come with severe social penalties and bullying and harassment as an immediate consequence? How is she supposed to see a future for herself when she sees women who stand up for their right to be homosexual excluded and harassed? Where are her role models? But transitioning will bring nothing but applause and support and encouragement.

It is going to be a damned sight easier to transition.

Like many other really ugly underbelly realities of transactivism, this one seems to currently just be too ugly to talk about, or too divisive or something for adults. Which is failing kids.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/02/2024 09:02

What a relief to see a politician who knows and understands all this.

Propertylover · 07/02/2024 15:45

She quoted one German gender clinic as stating: “It must be understood that early hormone therapy may interfere with the patient’s development as a homosexual.
“This may not be in the interest of patients who, as a result of hormone therapy, can no longer have the decisive experiences that enable them to establish a homosexual identity.”

Fairly obvious statement but really glad a clinic has stated this.

Igmum · 08/02/2024 07:52

So so pleased this is finally being said, praying that the lunatics who think it is acceptable to medically sterilise gay, distressed and autistic children will pay attention and stop this.

IwantToRetire · 08/02/2024 19:04

You can read her letter in full here https://committees.parliament.uk/publications/43255/documents/215243/default/
(link via LGB Alliance facebook page)

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