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Deep fake porn - 99% of victims are women

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ArabellaScott · 27/01/2024 18:57

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68110476

Alarming read. In the news because Taylor Swift's been a recent victim.

Woman-hate is eternal.

Taylor Swift

Taylor Swift deepfakes spark calls in Congress for new legislation

Explicit images of the popstar were spread millions of times on social media before being removed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68110476

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anothernamitynamenamechange · 27/01/2024 19:08

Yes, and its going to be even worse in parts of the world that have very strong restrictions on women's behaviour. There was already a case of an 18 year old woman being killed in an "honour killing" because of an AI generated image of her. And if women have to accept that entering politics/being successful in their careers/being in the public eye/putting their head above the parapet in any way means that they will be targeted then inevitably it will impact women's participation in society.

anothernamitynamenamechange · 27/01/2024 19:11

Not quite on topic but it makes me so cross when people parrot the "destructive men are violent, destructive women cause reputational damage" line because yes women can gossip and spread malicious rumours but it completely ignores the loooong history of (mostly but not just) men spreading rumours about women being slags/posting revenge porn/now posting AI porn. I want to know if that's classified differently or if the people studying human behaviour just didn't see it.

ArabellaScott · 27/01/2024 19:14

anothernamitynamenamechange · 27/01/2024 19:08

Yes, and its going to be even worse in parts of the world that have very strong restrictions on women's behaviour. There was already a case of an 18 year old woman being killed in an "honour killing" because of an AI generated image of her. And if women have to accept that entering politics/being successful in their careers/being in the public eye/putting their head above the parapet in any way means that they will be targeted then inevitably it will impact women's participation in society.

God, that's an angle I hadn't considered. Horrific. I see the US are considering legislation. Wonde if the OSA covers deep fake?

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RethinkingLife · 28/01/2024 14:17

No surprise.

And this is why the origins of privacy legislation are rooted in women's objections to the way in which their photographs were used in the early days of photography. (Quoting from this thread.)

I've been reading a history of privacy legislation wrt photography (Jessica Lake: The Face that Launched a Thousand Lawsuits). A lot of it is grounded in the actions of courageous women who could only fight the law within its language. And that language did not recognise them as citizens and that, to this day, affects sex-based differences in the notion of privacy.

I very much want to produce 2 pages from the book but it feels over the top so I'll restrict myself to this. (The relevant context is the splendid Abigail Roberson and her NYT open letter to Chief Justice Parker. See https://harvardpress.typepad.com/hup_publicity/2011/08/who-owns-your-face.html )

Here was a twenty-two year old woman challenging the former chief justice of New York and possible future president by advancing a premise of twentieth-century feminist legal theory, that gender identification defines the structure of law. Roberson could see that Chief Justice Parker's inability to identify with her meant he could not understand or empathize with her plight, which led to his unwillingness to provide her with a remedy. Her argument supports the proposition that the law privileges the interests of those who create and enforce it. As feminist legal scholar Regina Graycar has noted in "The Gender of Judgments": "Because of the long-standing exclusion of women from law, the substantive legal doctrines we use on a day-to-day basis were developed by men, with their problems and concerns in mind, and reflect men's perspectives on the world." Roberson lost her case due to the inability of the common law to recognize her gendered grievance as legitimate.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4932805-the-language-of-law-and-how-it-restricted-remedies-for-womens-concerns

NB: Parker went on to complain about the invasion of privacy for himself and his family when he ran for Democratic candidacy for President. Roberson published an open letter:
“I am forced to the conclusion,” she needled, “that this incident well illustrates the truth of the old saying that it makes a lot of difference whose ox is gored.”

The language of law and how it restricted remedies for women's concerns | Mumsnet

I've been reading a history of privacy legislation wrt photography (Jessica Lake: ^The Face that Launched a Thousand Lawsuits^). A lot of it is ground...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4932805-the-language-of-law-and-how-it-restricted-remedies-for-womens-concerns

ArabellaScott · 28/01/2024 15:18

Thanks, ReThinking, that looks fascinating.

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RethinkingLife · 28/01/2024 15:29

ArabellaScott · 28/01/2024 15:18

Thanks, ReThinking, that looks fascinating.

It's a fascinating book.

I saw something recently about Lorraine Kelly and her successful argument with the HMRC when

a judge ruled she was not employed by ITV, but performs as her "chatty" TV persona

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-47648053

This has its origins in the historically different treatment of men and women in the first privacy cases (and was extended). The women who won cases argued against use of their image on the grounds of their persona rather than themselves whereas the men argued (and won) on the grounds of their status as citizens and professional reputation.

Lorraine Kelly attends the 2019 "TRIC Awards" held at The Grosvenor House Hotel on March 12, 2019 in London

Lorraine Kelly wins £1.2m tax case against HMRC over ITV work

HMRC claimed she was employed by ITV, but the judge ruled that Kelly's TV persona is a daily performance.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-47648053

nepeta · 28/01/2024 17:40

Deep fake porn, given that 99% of its victims are women, is yet another way women are being pushed out of the public sphere: An extra (and psychologically very harming) cost for all women who consider going into politics or music or acting or any public role which men don't have to pay.

This takes even more power away from women, in a manner similar to how the risk of sexual assault also reduces the power of women to move and act freely. So even in the countries which don't have explicit laws or traditions keeping women quietly at home there are forces pushing toward the same outcomes.

And of course the bigger problem of both of these is the way they operate in intimate relationships, serving as a punitive power tool against women.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/01/2024 18:17

Completely agree @nepeta

ArabellaScott · 28/01/2024 18:43

Yep, nepeta.

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Mambo19866 · 28/01/2024 20:58

I would strongly recommend people lock down all their social media and or even better come off them and remove your photos. Deepfake apps only require a short video of you or a collection of photos can also train these models, I would not just worry about porn also they can make fake videos of you doing truly abhorrent things. Shockingly this is very easy to do already and each new update is making it better at modelling your face with less data required. On a side note I would also be very careful what you write in comment sections/forums on websites. AI will very soon be used to scan this information and blackmail or expose people who don’t align with the current politics especially if you wield any kind of status/wealth in society. I know I sound crazy but when you look at history and how control of the flow of information was vital to control narratives in fascist states its inevitable this technology will be used to control people one way or another.

ArabellaScott · 28/01/2024 21:13

Well, that will only work if women remove themselves from all media, public life, participation in politics, arts, music, literature, theatre, socialising, community groups, etc.

As for comments on forums; it's sensible to be a bit cautious but again we can't stop participating in all discussion.

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Mambo19866 · 28/01/2024 21:22

ArabellaScott · 28/01/2024 21:13

Well, that will only work if women remove themselves from all media, public life, participation in politics, arts, music, literature, theatre, socialising, community groups, etc.

As for comments on forums; it's sensible to be a bit cautious but again we can't stop participating in all discussion.

All I’m saying is just be very careful what sort of things you say. Example being trans stuff all it takes is someone to have a certain set of beliefs to be in the right position and they will be able to dig up anything you have written. AI will collapse the distance to information by a huge amount meaning rather than someone having to hunt down any posts and spend days going through forums you will simply have to type a name into a search bar and AI will be able to work out everything else .. what aliases you use, common times you post, IP addresses posts were made from, who you keep in contact with etc. all used to isolate you as the target then provide the information in an easily collatable form to be used against you.

Mambo19866 · 28/01/2024 21:26

Another side effect of this technology is it’s going to be very hard in the coming years to prosecute anyone using video evidence because it can be generated. I really think society is woefully unprepared for this. Not to mention all security systems the general public use to access accounts will also be able to be faked. Your voice can be mimicked and likeness it will be very hard make sure you are you.

ArabellaScott · 28/01/2024 22:04

The alternative is we continue to press for robust protections on freedom of speech and expression. And continue to counter misogyny.

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Bobbotgegrinch · 29/01/2024 00:28

The one positive I can see from this is that it will make it almost worthless to hack female celebrities phones to try and find nudes as happened a few years ago.

Once everyone realises how easy it is to create AI fakes, noones going to believe that any nude photo of anyone is real ever again.

We're entering an age where nothing you see on a screen can ever be guaranteed to be real or truthful. Yeah, you can fake something damaging to a person, but it also means that the leaked nudes, the sex tapes, the videos of someone having a meltdown in public, the paparazzi shots - all become completely worthless.

Flatleak · 29/01/2024 07:46

I'm surprised it's 99% as I thought the majority use of this technology was to make images of child abuse Sad

ArabellaScott · 29/01/2024 09:46

Perhaps they are classifying CSA images differently, Flatleak?

https://www.homesecurityheroes.com/state-of-deepfakes/#targeted-individuals

'An astonishing 98% of the deepfake videos found online are explicitly pornographic.'

I'm not sure what the company is that carried out the research/wrote the report. They offer this on their methodology:

'Our work stems from a comprehensive analysis of 95,820 deepfake videos, 85 dedicated channels across online platforms, and a meticulous review of over 100 websites linked to the deepfake ecosystem.

2023 State Of Deepfakes: Realities, Threats, And Impact

Our 2023 report explores deepfake tech & aims to empower responsible navigation through thorough research on 95,820 videos, 85 channels, and 100 websites.

https://www.homesecurityheroes.com/state-of-deepfakes#targeted-individuals

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