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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Mridul Wadhwa, transwoman CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre

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ArabellaScott · 21/01/2024 22:30

Mridul Wadhwa is in the news again.

For those of us in Scotland this has been ongoing for the past few years, but it seems we could use a thread to gather the history:

Current threads on the ET here:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis?page=38&reply=132347125

Article:

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/scotlands-rape-crisis-centres-in-turmoil-as-gender-ideology-threatens-female-only-service-susan-dalgety-4485282

(It's paywalled, but readable on archive dot ph if you copy and paste in the link.)

'Roz Adams, a support counsellor, is claiming constructive dismissal after she was subjected to a nine-month disciplinary process where she was accused of being “transphobic”. She had suggested that the centre tell a woman survivor that one of its advice workers was “a woman at birth that now identifies as non-binary”.'
...
'... evidence at this week’s tribunal further revealed Wadhwa’s strong views, including a suggestion at a public meeting in Edinburgh University last year that firing staff can be as important as hiring them when creating “inclusive” workplaces.

A witness, who had attended the event, said that when asked how best to bring staff on board if they were not sure about trans-inclusive policies, <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/HrIeD/twitter.com/tribunaltweets/status/1748005894032409083?s=20" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Wadhwa replied: “Fire them.” But perhaps the most harrowing evidence to emerge from the tribunal, which is expected to end next week, was on the first day, when Roz Adams told of a woman who was refused support from ERCC because she asked if the service was women-only. <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/HrIeD/twitter.com/tribunaltweets/status/1746920470769709129?s=20" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">She explained that the woman, in her 60s, had wanted a female-only group therapy context. On being told the ERCC was “trans inclusive”, the woman asked “is that women-only?” and later received an email saying she was not suitable to use its service.

It also emerged that the Edinburgh centre refuses to refer women to <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/HrIeD/beirasplace.org.uk/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Beira’s Place, the female-only sexual support service set up by author <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/HrIeD/twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1747234409336447039?s=20" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">JK Rowling a year ago, even though they have <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/HrIeD/www.ercc.scot/who-we-support-and-our-services/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">closed the waiting list for their advocacy services. Adams, who now works at Beira’s Place, told the tribunal that ERCC “have made it very clear they won't refer people on to our services”.'

Page 38 | Another GC employment tribunal. Adam's vs Edinburgh Rape Crsis | Mumsnet

https://x.com/tribunaltweets/status/1746830866020442400?s=46&amp;t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ Claiming constructive dismissal for GC beliefs. ERC CEO i...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis?page=38&reply=132347125

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ArabellaScott · 22/01/2024 10:12

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19511699.scottish-greens-defend-rape-centre-boss-mridul-wadhwa-bigoted-survivors-row/

'THE Scottish Greens have defended the head of a rape crisis centre who said “bigoted” survivors should have their “unacceptable beliefs” challenged as part of their recovery.
Mridul Wadhwa, chief executive of Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, said people would not truly recover from trauma unless they addressed any prejudices as “therapy is political”.
It implied rape survivors could be treated differently according to their political views.'

'In a statement this morning, the Scottish Greens, who hope to enter joint government with the SNP, condemned abuse aimed at rape crisis centres and at Wadhwa personally.
MSP Maggie Chapman said misinformation was being spread about the services which was “based on ignorance, bigotry and hatred”, made staff “targets for violence” and hurt “survivors most of all”.
However the statement failed to mention that Ms Chapman is currently listed at Companies House as being the secretary of Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre.
Nor does it mention that until June 30 she was its chief operating officer - effectively Wadhwa's deputy - although this is declared in her register of MSP interests.
In her statement, Ms Chapman merely said that she had worked in "a" rape crisis centre, but did not say that it was Edinburgh or that Wadhwa was her old boss.
The Greens' equalities and social justice spokesperson, Ms Chapman said: “The Scottish Greens stand in solidarity with Rape Crisis Scotland, Edinburgh Rape Crisis, survivors of gender-based violence, Mridul Wadhwa, and trans people across Scotland.
“Rape Crisis Scotland and rape crisis centres across the country provide vital, life-saving support, therapy and advocacy for survivors of gender-based violence.
“The spreading of misinformation about and distrust in the services provided by rape crisis organisations is completely unacceptable, and is based on ignorance, bigotry and hatred.'

Greens defend rape centre boss in 'bigoted' survivors row

THE Scottish Greens have defended the head of a rape crisis centre who said “bigoted” survivors should have their “unacceptable beliefs”…

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/19511699.scottish-greens-defend-rape-centre-boss-mridul-wadhwa-bigoted-survivors-row

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Poinsettiasarevile · 22/01/2024 10:26

Men, however they identify, who choose to be where there are vulnerable women are the ones to be most vigilant about.

I was asked before one of my births would i mind a male midwife. My liberal brain told me there was no logical reason why a man couldn't be a midwife, my highly evolved female spidey senses said nope. Heard later the only male midwife had left under an unspecified cloud.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/01/2024 10:57

This is interesting, suggests that Sturgeon was taking lessons from Wadhwa

If you ever wondered who was advising Nicola Sturgeon on self ID, look no further than her good friend Murdo Wadhwa

#Copying Murdo's homework

https://x.com/okaybiology/status/1748666652038766791?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

Farmageddon · 22/01/2024 11:03

Talk about a fox in the henhouse - this guy is another grifter whose whole agenda is to validate himself at the expense of others.
I'm more angry at the people who fawned over him and allowed him so much clout.

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ArabellaScott · 22/01/2024 11:29

Here, Wadhwa talks about who is using rape crisis services.

'It's mostly white, middle-class, able-bodied women who are using Rape Crisis services. It is much more harder .... for us to ... there are many ways of saying this, but we are not seeing brown, Black, disabled women use our services in the way that they should. So we are still a very white service. And if your energy is consumed by raising money, and the people who are supposed to go out into the community, and if you are - like, you know, I am a brown, migrant transwoman who leads the centre, but I've only been there for six months, but this is a very white organisation. So if you're spending all your energy in surviving as an organisation, you then neglect those who need your services the most, who are furthest away, from justice, from healing, and those are people who are marginalised, and that's the reality'.

https://twitter.com/Jonnywsbell/status/1748290750071153013

https://twitter.com/Jonnywsbell/status/1748290750071153013

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NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 22/01/2024 12:03

Codlingmoths · 22/01/2024 03:39

I think this thread needs to be up on this from overnight. Surely it’s a fireable offence and the charity should be sanctioned for allowing it?? https://x.com/suzanne_moore/status/1749143776830845117?s=46&t=-14LOzq-_bsjEdbZ5Y7CuQ

For those who can't access twitter, this is Suzanne Moore's thread

If Mridul Wadhwa is doing one to one counselling with rape survivors then all are entitled to ask about qualifications. Most of us spend a year for the most basic qualification. btw I have the qualification:
Foundation Certificate in Psychotherapy & Counselling and its a fair amount of work.

that certainly does not make me a specialist in dealing with trauma. Quite the opposite, it makes me see how qualified and experienced counsellors are needed not just freelance "empaths" or however these frauds self-ID.

On a previous thread on MN (2021?), posters tried to find evidence that MW had relevant qualifications. Nothing was found.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 22/01/2024 12:23

These are some extracts from the Guilty Feminist podcast with MW. You may find them illuminating.

Deborah Frances-White: So Mridul, I am extremely interested in your work in Scotland. You were born in India, but you migrated to Scotland. What made you start wanting to work in women's services?

Mridul Wadhwa: I don’t think there was a time. So for any migrant listening. We have two here actually, including me, are three of us. It happened not to deliberately. When I graduated, I did a Masters at Edinburgh University, there was a job going at Shakti and I just completed a masters in training. And they needed someone to do some training. It wasn't by design. I just applied for this job, it looked interesting. Obviously, I had been around violence. I grew up in a home with domestic abuse. I'd experienced violence as a transwoman in India. And so it looked like somewhere I wanted to work. And I applied and I got the job. And I just stayed. Like before working in women's services, I used to teach people how to sound American in India, in a call centre. So it is not by design that I got into this work. But I stayed by design because in fact, I moved back to India and then moved back again to work at Shakti Women’s Aid. ……….

(continued)

Deborah Frances-White: How long have you been there now?

Mridul Wadhwa: So I've worked in the women's sector now since 2005, so quite a few years. And when I worked at Shakti Women's Aid, you know, it was eye opening, not just to see an experience, like what does domestic abuse really look like, although I grew up in a home with domestic abuse, but to see that, to see what it looks like, in the Scottish context, and then the further marginalisation of minority ethnic women, particularly immigrant women, because, you know, the all the messages were and in at least in the early part of my career, you know, Scotland was the big name to talk about domestic abuse and sexual violence a little bit more openly and that sort of stepped out of women's organisations into a little bit more into the mainstream of the public sector. And, you know, the message was, clearly leave your abuser, you don't have to live with this, there’s help for you. And when immigrant women would hear that message and accept that as that we were speaking to them, but when they came out and asked for help, they wouldn't have received it because particularly, Kemah just listening to what you were saying earlier, you probably have no recourse to public funds. And so many of those women with no recourse to public funds would not get any support, because their immigration status would stop them from accessing a homeless accommodation, refuge spaces, welfare, all the things that you need to leave a relationship, those really practical basic needs, that most women who are not subject to immigration control can access. And while there are some exemptions, there's something called the domestic abuse rule. For most migrant women, that is not acceptable. And with Brexit, and with, you know, the rules changing for EU nationals, I'm really afraid that we will see more and more women who don't meet the immigration criteria who may not have completed or a client pre settled status, who will now be denied because their immigration status, disallows them from accessing public funds, which means housing benefit, which means Jobseeker's allowance, all of these things that you might need if you leave, because many women who leave end up being homeless, they end up either not being in employment or losing employment because they've left abusive relationships. So my work in Women's Aid in the early years of my career was around raising awareness about this and it really transformed me. But I also found a real group of wonderful, and mostly immigrant women of colour, working to change this, and many of us still are, even like 15, 16 years later. But also many of us were qualified to do other things with our lives. But we couldn't find those, you know, a space and those careers that we trained for, because of racism, really, and found ourselves in this organisation. So it's a real interesting journey how many of us got there. And for me, it was just luck and coincidence, but it changed my life completely.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 22/01/2024 12:29

Deborah Frances-White: But you clearly are very... this is, you know, something that you have found great purpose in understandably, the Shakhti Women's Aid Centre, you were working with black and Asian women, and then you move to Rape Crisis, Scotland on the national helpline. What were your experiences there?

Mridul Wadhwa: Well, the helpline is a really incredible place. It is really still hard in our society today to talk about sexual violence. And the ability to contact somebody and speak anonymously is the very important, sometimes first step, or sometimes the only step to talk about your experience of sexual violence. And then it takes a huge amount of courage to do that, to talk about what's happened to you, or even actually, question whether what happened to you was abuse or not. I think we are still a society that is still not very good at talking about sexual violence, particularly sexual violence, that is not rape. Because, you know, like, although I work in every crisis centre, people think that only if you've experienced rape, can you seek support, but actually, I think if you've been harassed on the street, you should be seeking support around this because it's, you know, like, there is no hierarchy of violence.

It's the impact that we are interested in, and we provide services. So the helpline is that these where people phone, either, because they're questioning whether what's happened to them is sexual violence, whether sometimes often you will hear people talk about whether they are worthy of our time as workers who worked on that helpline, or will work in Rape Crisis Centres or women say like, is this abuse? And the more and marginalised you are in our society, the more harder it is for you to get that answer. Like (a) the answer is, that is what happened to me abusive because there's this whole intersection of being either trans or non binary or black or brown or disabled, because there are so many other acts of violence that are perpetrated against you on an everyday basis. And then if sexual violence is part of that abuse, is this something that I can seek help for.

And I love the people I worked with on the helpline, I still have a really, really strong relationship with them, I host their pop quiz (?), twice yearly pop quiz, and it’s real fun. But they are the most wonderful, warmest, kindest women I know. And it is a huge honour to have worked with them.

So I used to train people who worked in the helpline but also, to know that when anybody who phones because it's open to anyone who lives in Scotland, to use the helpline, they will be received and held and respected for whatever they're thinking around their experience of sexual violence. It truly is non judgmental, and when we say and more services will say that they are non judgmental, and I would believe that they are, but I know that the spaces I work in currently and the National helpline for Scotland is a really non judgmental space. You will be heard, you will be given time you will be given space, there will be no pressure on you to report your experience to anybody, like you know, there's sometimes there's this fear that sometimes survivors, and that's a term we use on the helpline or in the Rape Crisis movement in Scotland, think that they must report what happened to them like there is no pressure to do that.

Sexual violence is the loss of control. And everything that happens after that in terms of your recovery, only you can control. That is your right, I think that's the gift that we must give ourselves if we've experienced sexual violence, because the abuser has taken away that control. Everything that happens after that should be yours. It's your story. And we recognise that within our services. And that's what that helpline is like. And in fact, that's what a Rape Crisis Centre is like as well, the one that I work in right now, these are beautiful spaces.

ArabellaScott · 22/01/2024 12:34

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/57453/html/

'As a paid worker in the violence against women sector, I recognise that trans people’s particularly trans women’s experiences of sexual violence and other forms of gender based violence are the cause and consequence of the gender inequalities in society. I am of the view that trans people including trans women, trans men, non binary, trans men, cross dressing people are just as likely to experience gender based violence as women and girls.'

'I believe the gender reassignment General Occupation Provision in recruitment is discriminatory to transsexual people especially trans women. I genuinely believe that there is no space for it in the gender based violence sector and that it has no place in violence against women work. I was unaware of its existence until a few weeks ago. I have worked in the violence against women sector since 2005 and have never known for it to be used. I am disappointed to think that someone has the right to refuse work to me and others like me in my sector just because they think that I might not be a woman. When I started working in this sector, I was not out as a trans person, this was not out of fear of discrimination but more because I did not think it was necessary. However, as an out trans women I have not experienced discrimination but that is because I am already in it. There is a strong possibility that other trans women like me would never be able to work in this sector. I must say though that none of the organisations I work for would ever consider using this part of the legislation and have very positive trans inclusive policies and encourage trans women to work and volunteer with them'.2015, Written evidence submitted by Mridul Wadhwa to the Transgender Equality Inquiry (my bold)

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lechiffre55 · 22/01/2024 13:21

More depressing news :(
https://twitter.com/Psychgirl211/status/1749104781157629998

lowlights:
"Mridul Wadhwa has, it seems NO CLINICAL QUALIFICATIONS."

"Only someone with absolutely no idea about what they were doing would say it was about "keeping things fun". Maybe that's why Wadhwa allegedly asked women if they had orgasmed during their attacks? Maybe that was the "fun" bit for him."

https://twitter.com/Psychgirl211/status/1749104781157629998

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 22/01/2024 13:30

I have been wandering around the room, trying to arrive at the best phrasing for the following post, but I absolutely cannot. It remains to simply say something, anything, rather than let the contradiction go unremarked.

MW said Sexual violence is the loss of control. And everything that happens after that in terms of your recovery, only you can control. That is your right, I think that's the gift that we must give ourselves if we've experienced sexual violence, because the abuser has taken away that control. Everything that happens after that should be yours. It's your story. And we recognise that within our services.

However, MW changed political parties in protest against a legal amendment that gave rape victims the right to request a rape examiner of their sex.

MW was outraged that a female rape victim might have the right, on the worst day of her life, to request that it be a woman who conducts an incredibly invasive examination of her body. During an examination, the examiner must trawl for DNA evidence all over the victim. That includes investigating every orifice the victim has. But MW opposes a victim's right to request a female examiner, hours after she's been raped by a man?

How's that for giving control back to victims? MW parroted the words on that podcast but these are not values that MW holds in the slightest.

Mridul Wadhwa, transwoman CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre
lechiffre55 · 22/01/2024 13:41

It's all about the affirmation and validation isn't it? That has a higher priority than everything else. Even when a woman has been violently raped the needs of the narcissist still come first.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 22/01/2024 15:25

The following is a post from a previous thread by @PlayYouLikeAShark from www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4318605-I-think-Ive-figured-out-why-the-Guilty-Feminists-feel-guilty?page=3

I reproduce it here because it is incredibly pertinent.

I'll tell you what/who isn't 'discerning'. The migrant women with no recourse to public funds who were the group targeted by MW when MW knowingly applied for a female specific role in the women's aid org & failed to declare that MW was male. And when the obvious was questioned, MW didn't have the decency to walk away & that org was either terrified to take action or decided that it didn't matter that the women imposed with MW's involvement had no say.
Those women are/were about as vulnerable & desperate as it's possible to be (often with difficult immigration status & terrified that seeking help could see them deported & with no safety net from state support). They are/were in no position to be 'discerning' over who they turned to when they needed help to escape abusive situations they found themselves in.

MW is lauded often in dispatches for MW's work for this particularly vulnerable group of women, who are absolutely desperate, and who have no other options for help to escape abuse. Think about that. MW chose to work with women who couldn't say no and who were uniquely vulnerable to MW's imposed presence within what should be a female only space/service.

MW talking about how sexual violence isn't 'discerning' is rich coming from an individual who was very discerning which route was best to infiltrate a female only org supporting the most vulnerable women & children fleeing male abuse & violence.

The red flags here go back a long, long way

ArabellaScott · 22/01/2024 15:33

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/trans-scotland-mridul-wadhwa-for-women-scotland/

'...she was appointed director of the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre (ERCC) in April last year.
“It just kicked off that very first day,” she said. “Emails, complaint letters to the board. I think one of them… was signed by quite a few hundred people. So, pretty much from the first day, we began to deal with this onslaught.”
She added: “It was mostly on social media. And it was relentless and endless. And all kinds of people were then retweeting.”
ERCC has shown openDemocracy 55 pages of emails it received at the time, with senders’ details redacted.'

'[ForWomenScotland] claim to have distributed 60,000 leaflets arguing against trans women being legally recognised as women, which they have been since 2005. The leaflets make claims such as: “Services which you may wish to be performed by a woman… could be delivered by a ‘woman’ who is actually male.” One of the four such services they list is rape counselling.'
...
'“I find this misinformation painful to read,” said Mridul Wadhwa. “I see it as the erasure of my womanhood, denying my existence, my privacy and my ability to contribute to society.'

https://archive2021.parliament.scot/S5_JusticeCommittee/Inquiries/JS520HC406_For_Women_Scotland.pdf

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WickedSerious · 22/01/2024 18:41

He's a nasty,self obsessed oaf.

DewHopper · 22/01/2024 18:50

Mumoftwo1312 · 22/01/2024 00:29

The Student asked Wadhwa if she believes a man could be a successful rape crisis centre manager. She does not: “I don’t think men are ready to go out and set up services of this nature. Women’s aid organisations and rape crisis centres have been set up with the blood, sweat, and tears of women. It’s about the women’s experience of sexual violence. Our workforce is reserved for women only.”

I'm totally bewildered. Does he actually believe himself or is he having everyone on and laughing into his sleeve?

It's horrendous and sends a chill down my spine when I read it. He is unspeakable.

Froodwithatowel · 22/01/2024 18:58

lechiffre55 · 22/01/2024 13:41

It's all about the affirmation and validation isn't it? That has a higher priority than everything else. Even when a woman has been violently raped the needs of the narcissist still come first.

I am beginning to think that the assumption of validation as the driving force may be a bit too innocent and good faith.

littlbrowndog · 22/01/2024 19:14

Mumoftwo1312 · 22/01/2024 00:29

The Student asked Wadhwa if she believes a man could be a successful rape crisis centre manager. She does not: “I don’t think men are ready to go out and set up services of this nature. Women’s aid organisations and rape crisis centres have been set up with the blood, sweat, and tears of women. It’s about the women’s experience of sexual violence. Our workforce is reserved for women only.”

I'm totally bewildered. Does he actually believe himself or is he having everyone on and laughing into his sleeve?

He’s really having a laugh. Despicable man

LarkLane · 22/01/2024 21:18

Another grift. An expert in the decarbonisation of transport too!
Tomorrow's online event is all sold out apparently.

The co-founders of Vahanomy, Arun Gopinath, Mridul Wadhwa and Srinivas Rao bring over 90 years of combined entrepreneurial experience. Having worked in strategic and operational roles in technology and IT-enabled services, they have expertise in Vahanomy’s key market areas in the UK, US and India.
https://geovation.uk/insights/meet-geovation-scotlands-entrepreneur-in-residence-vahanomy/

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LarkLane · 22/01/2024 21:48

Suddenly a CBT qualification appears.

Mridul has an MSc in the management of training and development, from the University of Edinburgh; a Diploma in Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT) from The Centre of Therapy & Counselling Studies, Glasgow and is an Associate of the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD).

https://www.vahanomy.com/mridul-wadhwa

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Mridul Wadhwa is the founder-director of Vahanomy. Mridul has an MSc in the management of training and development, University of Edinburgh; Diploma in Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT) from The Centre of Therapy & Counselling Studies, Glasgow and is...

https://www.vahanomy.com/mridul-wadhwa

MrGHardy · 22/01/2024 21:54

"And I was responsible for whatever the person had phoned me about, you know I could do whatever they asked me to and I experienced this complete powerfulness".

This right here is it. Disqualifies this person from running such a sensitive service. And it's exactly what all those people feel when they get any amount of power in their life.

HelenScot · 22/01/2024 22:01

None of it makes any coherent sense. He is unqualified and he lied and he was allowed to remain in post? There does seem to be a history of not doing due diligence in Scotland. Look at the LGBT Youth Scotland programs in schools despite connections to James Rennie, or the UNCRC being written by a paedophile and still being embedded in schools and attempts being made to embed it in law..... so much dodge

RethinkingLife · 22/01/2024 23:47

LarkLane · 22/01/2024 21:48

Suddenly a CBT qualification appears.

Mridul has an MSc in the management of training and development, from the University of Edinburgh; a Diploma in Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT) from The Centre of Therapy & Counselling Studies, Glasgow and is an Associate of the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD).

https://www.vahanomy.com/mridul-wadhwa

Aww, look. One of the diplomas goes up to 11.

https://www.centreoftherapy.org/cbt-diplomas

Mridul Wadhwa, transwoman CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre
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