Merely say you are a woman and demand access

[AliceA2021]

https://reduxx.info/spain-male-soldier-claims-he-is-being-discriminated-against-after-being-prevented-from-using-female-changing-rooms/

No need to change anything about himself just merely change gender and then demand access.

What could possibly ho wrong.

Well, there's a surprise 🙄

I think the vast majority see men like this as men. But politicians especially, see it as men abusing the system, rather than the system itself being wrong. Tinkering around at the edges is never going to fix anything when the fundamental assumption are crazy.

I dont think politicians, the medical profession and administrator who enthusiastically implemented the policy are going to admit they were conned or wanted to con the public.

Pink lipstick and a shite wig don't make dangerous men any less dangerous.

Indeed.

Biological fact should be used for lawmaking

Transition or not anyone born with a penis is male, anyone that has gone through male puberty is a man. No matter what they say or demand. No matter what they wear or what name they give themselves, they hare male, man, he, him. Anything else is lies.

Thank you everyone for the information I definitely have a better understanding. What was once straight forward has now been complicated by men.

This man is just as much a woman as those men who go the whole hog and take hormones, have their testicles removed and their penis inverted and breast implants and facial feminization surgery etc etc, have electrolysis, adopt what they think are womanly mannerisms and try to change their vocal sound and change their wardrobe for one that is stereotypical in their mind of what their fantasy woman would wear.

Just as all those other men before him he has uttered the four magic words and by pronouncing "I am a woman" he is.

And if politicians can't see the very simple fact that there is no fucking difference between a. this man, b. a man who has 'fully transitioned' and c. a man who still claims to be a man then they have no right to be making laws of any kind, never mind ones that give men like the one in the article the ability to do what he's doing.

And as it's rather fitting for this thread (and I'm not in a writing poems mood at the moment)

THE FOUR MAGIC WORDS

“I am a woman!”
He pronounces to all.
And in that moment
the predator becomes prey.

The oppressor the oppressed.
Means that the man
holds all the aces.
Women only: now entered.

The women fall silent.
The man just gloats
at the glorious intrusion,
into female only places.

Rape group? Free entry.
Toilets? Come on in.
Prisons? Take your pick!
Changing room? There too.

These ‘women’ are men.
“Known since aged four.”
Says the autogynephilic man.
That is not true.

Do not dare retort,
or even make waves.
If you say “NO!”
Then: hate crime report.

“I will bloody huff,
and puff! Your life?
Blown up into chaos!”
Wolf in grannie’s dress!

The men now rule,
though, was ever so.
But this is now.
Two thousand twenty three.

This is not right.
We women must fight,
to keep men out
of all our spaces.

Men cannot just demand
things so not true.
We do not consent.
We will not relent

on these four words.
For they are ours,
and our words alone.
They belong to us,

not to a man.
Man has no right
to utter those words.
Only we can say:

“I AM A WOMAN”

Boiledbeetle 15th June 2023

It wouldn't matter if he did transition. He would still be a man, because humans can't change sex.

Very sad for trans people, but just as bad for the rest of us in terms of broken families, and the effects on data integrity/freedom of speech/medical ethics/fairness and safety for women.

And even after all this damage has been done, not a single person has actually changed sex.

I wish that novelists, playwrights and film makers had the freedom to cover all this. It could be such a rich seam.

This is timely for me. DS has long hair and a boyish figure (as apposed to a man’s figure I mean) but he’s 5’10 and his voice has broken. He started a new class at the gym, had his hair in a high ponytail and was stopped heading to the men’s changing room and directly to the ladies. He gets it all the time and laughed and said in his deep voice “probably not a great fit for me” . He said the staff member went bright red and couldn’t stop apologising but if he had been so inclined he could have slipped in

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · Today 10:11

I think the vast majority see men like this as men. But politicians especially, see it as men abusing the system, rather than the system itself being wrong.

Exactly. They see women being used to validate men, as long as those men are 'worthy' of it.

Absolutely fucking nothing to do with the women being used.

Someone clever than I said something like, the boot is on our neck, and they are simply debating amongst themselves how hard to press and which of them gets to do it.

It's the new Pygmalion without even the need to create a female statue and bring it into life.

A simple incantation ("I'm a woman") and it's done.

Normally it's only hags who have such spells. Now it's the modern man that has such astonishing powers and they're lauded for it. Unlike women/hags, they're not vilified, held up to ridicule, nor threatened with varieties of abuse nor expulsion from education, occupation, nor society.

Lauded, applauded, commended, given the equivalence of 'access all areas' passes, and promoted.

More modern mythologies in progress.

https://twitter.com/ContraBorrado/status/1747705745020158114?s=19

And now you can listen to him explain why/how he's a woman!

Well I'm convinced.

Could he actually be on our side and trying to make a point?

That’s what assumed on reading his comments, he’s mentioned his 10 year old daughter and made a point of saying he has no dysmorphia.

Dysmorphia is when you don't like your body.
Why would that have anything to do with having a gender identity?

Do people genuinely still think that TRAs believe there is something female - as in, the type of body - about being a woman?

Again.
That's the whole point.
That is what we are fighting against.

Yes, I agree. This was always going to happen, but it’s great that this man is being so blatant and getting loads of publicity.

True, it will encourage other men to have a go. But I think that’s good too. More publicity, more people seeing it happen, more outrage, unfortunately more sexual assaults, but finally a real chance of opening enough eyes and getting these insane laws revoked.

It's quite clever going for the army - suing a government organisation.

While my sympathies lie fully with the female soldiers here, by the Spanish Government's own stupid myopic rules, this guy has done nothing wrong. I do SO hope he's a high stakes troll.

So now, let the governments start paying out the big prizes earned via their own myopia, total arrogance & lack of regard for women and the things we said would happen.

Do people genuinely still think that TRAs believe there is something female - as in, the type of body - about being a woman?

Sorry, I don't understand what this means at all, can you explain?

TRAs claim that a woman is a person of either sex with some collection of thoughts, feelings, personality, etc that can't be defined. But you can be a woman regardless of what body you have because your body has nothing to do with your gender.

This is a change from the previous attitude that a trans person was someone who very much wanted to be the opposite sex. (Obviously, many still do think this and this does apply to many trans people).

It's a weird logic fail where they simultaneously deny there is anything female about a woman but also say that female sex "aligns with" woman gender. It's the same contradiction that means young girls are encouraged into surgery but adult men can just feel what they feel and they are literally women.

This is what happens when laws are enacted without any due diligence beforehand. It should be obvious to ask how something in the law is defined so that the existence or absence of that concept can be judged by others, and the concept of an abstract gender identity does not pass that test because it is unfalsifiable.

And it should be obvious for lawmakers to ask about all the possible ways laws could be misused and to build safeguards against them into the laws.

But when it comes to gender identity this is not done anywhere, as far as I can tell. I read that the Irish law, for instance, has had zero statistical followup, so when people say that it has had no negative effects on women the actual situation is that nobody knows because the government didn't build any monitoring into the law.

Why this particular area seems to be full of problems of this kind might just be because the only group likely to be directly negatively affected here consists of women, and women are supposed to be happy to hand over their rights to others. Others are always more marginalised, even when they are not.