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Indoctrination at its finest..Sussex primary school

31 replies

LondonLass91 · 16/01/2024 18:25

Just read this article in Metro - about a Workshop Lead for PopnOlly (LGBT org who visit primary schools). Telling a 9 year old that he (the Workshop Lead) is trans and the 9 year old responding that they too don't fit into a gender box...I'd call this indoctrination. It is also telling that he didn't realise he was trans/non binary until he worked at the cult/ organisation.. What sort of primary schools allows this to happen? Isn't the government meant to be stopping this shit? I'd be interested to know the school and the materials shown to young children.

https://metro.co.uk/2024/01/07/told-100-000-primary-school-kids-im-non-binary-20067977/?ico=mosaichome

I came out as trans to a nine-year-old - their response floored me

‘I feel like you feel.’

https://metro.co.uk/2024/01/07/told-100-000-primary-school-kids-im-non-binary-20067977?ico=mosaic_home

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FrancescaContini · 16/01/2024 18:30

Dear God. What an ego trip this bloke is on. Yes it’s indoctrination and I’d remove my DC from the school promptly.

FrancescaContini · 16/01/2024 18:32

Wish I had flamboyant “big femme energy” too. Maybe I am not actually female?

WarriorN · 16/01/2024 18:38

Fgs it's so bloody sexist isn't it?

What does feeling like a boy/ girl mean?

It's all perceived via gender stereotypes.

LondonLass91 · 16/01/2024 18:38

FrancescaContini · 16/01/2024 18:32

Wish I had flamboyant “big femme energy” too. Maybe I am not actually female?

Yes, i'm wearing jeans and have short hair. Maybe i've got big dick energy, as they say..

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WarriorN · 16/01/2024 18:39

‘I don’t fit into a box that everyone else seems to fit into. I don’t like doing normal girl things. I like football and wearing boys’ clothes.’

IT DOESNT MAKE YOU A BOY

I'm not big femming it enough either, shall walk on my flamboyant bum wiggle

popebishop · 16/01/2024 18:40

I can't imagine the arrogance someone would have to have to assume that know what 50% of the population feels like. And also to refuse to give one concrete example of what that is even if it helps others.

WarriorN · 16/01/2024 18:41

'The people who most want to work with children aren't necessarily the people who should work with children' strikes again.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/01/2024 19:05

WarriorN · 16/01/2024 18:41

'The people who most want to work with children aren't necessarily the people who should work with children' strikes again.

Indeed. He's using children for his own validation. This nothing about children's emotional health and wellbeing - it's all about him.
It defies belief that a primary school is so devoid of critical thinking and awareness of the need to safeguard children from narcissistic adults that they actually paid for his "performance"

hotpotlover · 16/01/2024 19:17

Our son is starting reception in September.

Does every primary school participate in these LGTQ workshops?

Is there any way we can opt out? xx

DisappearingGirl · 16/01/2024 19:38

When I read that I actually liked Jack more than I thought I would. To be fair I expect life can be pretty tough for non-conforming boys. I even agreed with a lot of it.

  • Letting kids know it's okay to be a flamboyant boy or a boyish girl - great
  • Having some fun role models in school that don't conform to gender stereotypes - great

But

  • Thinking this means you are not "really" a boy/girl - not great
  • Leading kids on a pathway to medication or surgery - not great
EasternStandard · 17/01/2024 07:24

WarriorN · 16/01/2024 18:41

'The people who most want to work with children aren't necessarily the people who should work with children' strikes again.

Yes safeguarding fail

RebelliousCow · 17/01/2024 07:35

Reading Jack's story makes me realise how identifying as 'trans' has become the only way that young people seem to be able to signal their desire for non conformity - in a way that other young people will be able to confidently identify them and let them "be who they are".

Social media usage seems to have exerted even more pressure on young people to be 'liked' and approved of, and feel as if they belong to some recognisable tribe or gang ( this is discussed in " The Coddling of the American Mind' - which suggested that the culture of 'safetyism 'that we now see everywhere coincided with the time of the introduction of the iPhone in 2014).

Young nascently gay children are now faced with a choice: of struggling through puberty and coming out as gay, or as identifying as 'trans' and so entering the crazy world of hormones, binders, pronouns, and the fantasy that one can actually change sex.

legalseagull · 17/01/2024 07:44

DisappearingGirl · 16/01/2024 19:38

When I read that I actually liked Jack more than I thought I would. To be fair I expect life can be pretty tough for non-conforming boys. I even agreed with a lot of it.

  • Letting kids know it's okay to be a flamboyant boy or a boyish girl - great
  • Having some fun role models in school that don't conform to gender stereotypes - great

But

  • Thinking this means you are not "really" a boy/girl - not great
  • Leading kids on a pathway to medication or surgery - not great

Yes I felt the same when I read it. I think he's made a good point that you don't have to fit in to gender norms. Hes not going in saying "I am now a woman"

FrancescaContini · 17/01/2024 07:51

@RebelliousCow Really interesting, especially your middle paragraph. Thank you.

HereForTheFreeLunch · 17/01/2024 07:56

Same here, agreed with so much. He seems to have faced a lot of homophobia at school. But but but.. still not a woman.

HereForTheFreeLunch · 17/01/2024 07:59

Sorry, I know he hasn't said he's a woman - but he is equating stereotypical clothing and behaviour with being a man and saying 'not a man'.
It's the same logic by which other men claim to be women

FrancescaContini · 17/01/2024 08:02

@legalseagull He may not be using those exact words but he refers to his “femme energy”. Femme = woman (French).

He is promoting his own belief that there is a “truth” to gender stereotypes and as such he should not be allowed into schools. The fact that his workshop has so obviously been designed to appeal to young children (the usual balloons! rainbows! sparkles!) and which he presumably makes money from is very worrying. Definitely a safeguarding fail.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/01/2024 08:12

I really struggle with the ethics of this. I'm sure he's lovely and would be a great friend, son, brother etc to so many. But what qualifies him to go into primary schools and sell his confusions, his internal struggles and even his own history to very young children?
Is he a useful idiot? a grifter? or potentially dangerous? We know that children are being gaslit the world over into thinking they can change sex by people lacking in care for their wellbeing.
Primary schools must ensure that SRE is taught carefully and in liine with the guidelines - children are not passive audiences for individual personal outpourings presented as "education" . Schools are abandoning their critical thinking about all this as this clinical psychologist explains:

https://www.transgendertrend.com/childhood-social-transition/

A childhood is not reversible - Transgender Trend

Childhood social transition is seen as 'kind.' A clinical psychologist explains what we set a child up for when we socially transition them.

https://www.transgendertrend.com/childhood-social-transition

RebelliousCow · 17/01/2024 10:17

RebelliousCow · 17/01/2024 07:35

Reading Jack's story makes me realise how identifying as 'trans' has become the only way that young people seem to be able to signal their desire for non conformity - in a way that other young people will be able to confidently identify them and let them "be who they are".

Social media usage seems to have exerted even more pressure on young people to be 'liked' and approved of, and feel as if they belong to some recognisable tribe or gang ( this is discussed in " The Coddling of the American Mind' - which suggested that the culture of 'safetyism 'that we now see everywhere coincided with the time of the introduction of the iPhone in 2014).

Young nascently gay children are now faced with a choice: of struggling through puberty and coming out as gay, or as identifying as 'trans' and so entering the crazy world of hormones, binders, pronouns, and the fantasy that one can actually change sex.

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Can I add that the iPhone weas introduced in 2007, but 'The Coddling of The American Mind' suggests that the first generation to have grown up with it coincided with the culture of 'safetyism' around 2014.

RebelliousCow · 17/01/2024 10:28

I find the now widespread cultural saturation in drag an issue too. It is not that there is necessarily an issue with men dressing in 'women's clothing', so much as the gross caricaturing and sexualisation of feminine stereotypes starting to blur and merge with 'trans identities' -so that womanhood becomes a mere comic book creation used by men for entertainment, personal ego validation and/or for sexual kicks.

I'm pretty certain that AGP/fetishistic cross dressing is on the increase in young men, who had maybe not previously been cross dressing. Not only because of the increasing social acceptability or normalisation of drag/cross dressing, but also because of how it is reinforced by pornography. We often hear how many young/men can no longer have normal sexual relationships with women, due to the damaging and de-sensitising nature of pornography. I wouldn't be at all surprised that some were turning to AGP as a less challenging way of forming a relationship with the feminine.

LondonLass91 · 17/01/2024 11:06

RebelliousCow · 17/01/2024 07:22

James Esses on a recent webinar he attended for schools on the subject of the government's new 'trans' guidance.

https://www.jamesesses.com/p/going-undercover-the-trans-and-non?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Edited

Thank you for this - great read.

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LondonLass91 · 17/01/2024 11:12

"Specifically, I love being able to provide an education that – for me – would have been life-changing".

Yes, he does provide a life changing education. Making primary children feel that if they don't 'conform' then they are surely not either male or female. How is this allowed to happen?

Does anyone know the School? My children's school has no outside influences coming into the school. The PSHE is all in house and follows guidelines..i honestly can't understand how Head Teachers think this is appropriate.

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EasternStandard · 17/01/2024 11:19

‘I’d estimate that I’ve spoken to over 100,000 primary-aged children.’

I’d be interested to know what the presentation includes exactly

Boy or girl wear what you want or trans ideology

SinnerBoy · 17/01/2024 11:19

RebelliousCow · Today 07:22

James Esses on a recent webinar he attended for schools on the subject of the government's new 'trans' guidance.

That really is a disturbing read. Trans and Non-Binary Education Network & Schools Out really, really ought to be investigated and thrown out of anything to do with education. Their arrogance is staggering, who the Hell do they think they are, to tell schools to ignore Government rules?