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NEW REPORT: How trans inclusion in sport is harming women and girls

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Helleofabore · 14/01/2024 16:08

Fairplay for women have released a new report as follows.

For years women and girls have been facing unfair, and sometimes unsafe, sport because of trans inclusion – which means male inclusion in women’s teams, events and changing rooms.

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The scale of the problem, and its effect on women and girls, has been concealed by the fear around this issue. A culture of intimidation and silencing has forced women to keep quiet or walk away. This is not inclusion, it’s female exclusion.

Fair Play For Women has heard personal reports from across 35 sports in the UK. From these, we have compiled around 50 personal testimonies representing 25 sports. We have protected their identities because they are worried about reprisals in their sport, or about the possible impact on relationships or on their jobs. Given that women have lost their jobs for expressing opinions about this, they are probably right to be cautious.

Our report gives them a voice. This, the first ever report on the impact of trans inclusion in the UK, shows a widespread problem, affecting many women and girls all over the country, at all levels, from juniors to masters and at all levels of competition and participation. Women and girls are being put at risk and their legitimate concerns disregarded. Their stories debunk the claims that this is a small problem, affecting only a few, and that it does no harm. They include big sports like football, athletics, swimming and cycling, and contact sports like judo, American football, ice hockey and roller-derby.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/new-report-how-trans-inclusion-in-sport-is-harming-women-and-girls/

Thank you FPFW! I am looking forward to reading this today.

trans inclusion in sport first report evidence of harm | Fair Play For Women

Trans inclusion in sport. A new report shows how trans inclusion is harming women and girls in Uk sport. It's the first ever to compile evidence

https://fairplayforwomen.com/new-report-how-trans-inclusion-in-sport-is-harming-women-and-girls/

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Truthlikeness · 14/01/2024 16:51

I just came to post this - you beat me to it :-). It's an excellent report with lots of real examples of this policy harming women and women's sports. I've personally experienced much of what the women talk about in this report - it made me despondent and angry in equal measure.

It's important that they've also focussed on the suppression of any kind of debate or disagreement with the policy. It's adding insult to injury that not only are you expected to endure unfairness, risk of injury and lack of dignity, you cannot even name it or raise any objection.

fabricstash · 14/01/2024 17:17

It is a good report and echos what I am hearing from friends whose children do grass roots sports. It's the intimidation and that you can't say things out loud

Froodwithatowel · 14/01/2024 17:32

Bravo FPFW!!! (Yet again Flowers)

MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/01/2024 18:33

What a good report. And (for a change) centring the voices of women in sport instead of the male interlopers or their Stonewall trained advocates wedged into the IOC, Sport England and governing bodies everywhere.

Well done FPFW.

UtopiaPlanitia · 14/01/2024 19:15

This report makes for sobering reading indeed. It also destroys the argument that 'it’s only a limited number of men competing in women’s events so it doesn’t have a huge impact', this report shows that the effect is widespread and affects all levels of women’s sport.

I’m astonished and enraged that it’s got to this stage with Sporting bodies and associations around the world betraying women in favour of validating men.

Women obviously don’t matter in the view of their sports’ authorities.

HagoftheNorth · 14/01/2024 20:17

“Is there a more effective way of destroying women’s sport than allowing men to identify as women?”

Quite - and it’s clearly affecting every age group and (almost) every sport. My friend’s daughter was a competitive swimmer - the early morning/late evening training 4 times every week or more sort of swimmer. She’d already dedicated years of her life to this and was on track to be extremely successful. She gave up in her early teens after one encounter with a transgirl. She knew immediately that, however hard she trained, she could never compete.

edited to add Once these girls drop out, they don’t go back. We are losing so many talented athletes who should be joining the elite ranks in the next several years

Helleofabore · 14/01/2024 21:15

It really is clear how far the impacts go. And just how little we really hear about it in the media.

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fisky · 14/01/2024 21:18

Good report. All we need is for Toby Jones to make an ITV drama about it so it can get some attention Angry

Truthlikeness · 14/01/2024 21:32

Helleofabore · 14/01/2024 21:15

It really is clear how far the impacts go. And just how little we really hear about it in the media.

The newspapers want to publicise this story, but it's so hard to get anyone to go on the record.

duc748 · 14/01/2024 21:38

Great report, really nails it. Thinking about Seb Coe, and how he'll defend 'elite sport', whilst throwing the rest of women and girls under the bus.

HagoftheNorth · 14/01/2024 21:51

Defending elite sport doesn’t work if there is no pathway to get there.

Further, if girls & women who won’t ever be elite athletes leave their sports, who will become the coaches/referees/administrators in the future?

duc748 · 14/01/2024 22:00

And Coe (and others in sports' ruling bodies) know that perfectly well.

EmpressaurusOfTheScathingTinsel · 14/01/2024 22:03

More excellent work from FPFW. Thank you.

GailBlancheViola · 14/01/2024 22:30

It is an excellent report but it is also so predictable and depressing, we all knew this was happening we all know what the ultimate outcome will be - the total destruction of women's sport.

I am so sick of these cheating men and their enablers. Get them the fuck out of women's sports.

puffyisgood · 14/01/2024 22:50

it's a good report imo, because the logical/scientific arguments were all won years (millennia) ago, but the trans lobby often has, being honest, at times been a step ahead when it comes to the appeals to emotion. stuff like this will definitely help redress that balance

Froodwithatowel · 15/01/2024 08:10

GailBlancheViola · 14/01/2024 22:30

It is an excellent report but it is also so predictable and depressing, we all knew this was happening we all know what the ultimate outcome will be - the total destruction of women's sport.

I am so sick of these cheating men and their enablers. Get them the fuck out of women's sports.

This.

It is all of it about the belief that women are walking resources for men, not equal humans.

Unless you hold that belief of sexist, binary misogyny, you'd be here with us going wtaf.

ResisterRex · 15/01/2024 08:15

I read this report last night. Between the work of FPFW and WRN, I've found the last week quite upsetting. I agree with puffy on appealing to emotions.

All the groups that supposedly were around to have our backs have instead fucked us over. It's been - again - ordinary women doing the donkey work to bring these injustices to attention.

Dais79 · 15/01/2024 08:24

Fantastic - I will be sharing this far and wide!

FrancescaContini · 15/01/2024 08:30

Thank you for posting this, will forward to several people who have “skin in the game” on this particular aspect of, as FPFW express it, excluding women and girls.

MidCenturyLangClegs · 15/01/2024 08:46

We have all known that this is happening but it's utterly depressing to read this in black and white.

What I also know is that there are women who were approached about this for the report, yet even under the promise of confidentiality they were still very scared that they would be doxxed, and henceforth out of protecting their teenage daughter's professional sporting aspirations they still couldn't contribute.

Trans-identifying males have created such a culture of fear. And they say they're marginalised? It really is a complete farce.

Thank you FPFW for this report. Hopefully it will land on the desks of the right people. Even the slightest shifts in policy here on this island seem to propagate across the world so. 🤞

WinterLobelia · 15/01/2024 10:12

I like the Myth Vs Reality page. Brings it all to light in an easy digestible read and (hopefully) makes it easier for journalists to pick up the salient points.

Who would have thought we would be in a situation where stating clearly observable facts is somehow radical.

flyingbuttress43 · 15/01/2024 20:57

Only just read it, and got angrier and angrier. I have been called a transphobe and a bigot, both online and to my face and lost one or two friends when I expressed my views. Know what? I don't care. I couldn't give a rat's arse. No friend who excludes you for telling the truth is worth having.

I honestly believe that until women band together as us second wave feminists did and be totally focused and bloody minded to eventually win our human rights, we will not solve this problem. We need to be prepared to shock, to upset, to be bloody difficult and unpopular. No organisation can afford to exclude every single woman - they will fold if they do. Thankfully we are starting to see women fight back rather than exclude themselves. That's the only way to go.

This is a hill that women must be prepared to die on or our daughters and granddaughters will never forgive us.

"Courage speaks to courage everywhere" as Millecent Fawcett said.

ASportsMum · 04/03/2024 19:30

I've just read the report and realised that the sport I've been thinking of taking up again, and which I knew had accessible international events for women over 70, has been dominated in recent years in this (women's) age group by a man. I'm in my late 60s and was assuming that it would take me several years to train up to a decent standard but that it would be fun to have an international event as a goal to aim for. It's not just young women who are being affected, it's veterans too. I'm going to have to find another long-term goal until the sport sorts itself out.

Treaclewell · 05/03/2024 12:29

As a girl who was always picked last, my interest in sport has not been great, but after reading that, I am fuming. The club told that they would not have a pitch booked if they did not each sign a document accepting male players as women? The men who continued unopposed after the national rules excluded them.!
But halfway through, I had an idea. Mostly for swimmers. They have to have a special swimsuit like those wet suit type things the girls have to wriggle into. Only this sort would have extra zips along arms and legs that would be done up by race officials after they've got into them, thus limiting the range of movement of those puberty enabled muscles.
Beat that, Liar.
And for other sports, inflatable parts to mimic bloating in periods, for example.
Not sure about field sports with tackling, or judo - that account was appalling.