Police drop guidance allowing trans officers to strip search people of the opposite biological sex

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National police guidance <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/0yVBP/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/04/10/transgender-police-officers-born-male-permitted-strip-search/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">allowing transgender officers to strip search people of the opposite biological sex has been temporarily withdrawn after the Government raised concerns about women’s safety.

The National Police Chiefs’ Council told The Telegraph that it was conducting a “thorough” review of its guidance on searches conducted by transgender officers. “In the meantime, forces have been advised to revert to their own policies on strip searches,” the body said.

The review came after <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/0yVBP/www.telegraph.co.uk/chris-philp/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Chris Philp, the policing minister, said transgender officers should be stopped from conducting strip searches on suspects of the opposite sex unless they have changed their legal gender.

This weekend, three prominent campaign groups wrote to Mr Philp praising the Government’s decision to ask the National Police Chiefs Council to “look again” at guidance but insisting that obtaining a gender recognition certificate (GRC) should not qualify a trans woman police officer to strip search a female detainee.

Full article from Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/13/police-drop-guidance-allowing-strip-searches-trans-officers/

Can also be read at https://archive.ph/0yVBP

Fair Cop are still pursuing this and have instructed a KC now. So clearly they don't think the police are being entirely transparent on this issue.

https://twitter.com/WeAreFairCop/status/1746897514391859324

The letter from my group is going off to our Police force now. We have to tell them to stop this nonsense. We must get them to listen to women.

Bravo Fair Cop.

But (I know I keep repeating it, it's desperation)

This whole GRC thing is NOT a solution.

• The report itself says it doesn't work, it cannot be asked for, therefore it has no practical meaning. It ends up meaning any man who wants to. (And we've decided that it's ok for a few men to coercively assault the women in their care at work, in the line of meeting their personal needs with her, and we're just wangling a bit over which men.)

There is no* difference to the experience of a woman in how it feels to be coercively assaulted depending on the sincerity of what is happening between a man's ears at the time or what piece of paper he has at home. Wtf is that about?

• The 'legal fiction' was for things like marriage and pension rights. It was intended to protect a man from legal disadvantage. It was never intended to enable a man to assault women. And any man using it as such is making very plain why the GRA needs to be binned.

Gosh, Fair Cop really are thorn in some peoples sides, aren't they.

Watching men furiously arguing for the right to assault women. Ugh. There's not a shower hot enough.

If you go on X the amount of male people (MTF transactivists and allies) saying the quiet part loud by telling women that they can't do anything about it "because trans women are women in law" is quite something to behold.

And thereby helpfully making the case for the law to be clarified re biological vs legal sex. Thanks lads! 👏

It must be frustrating for the quiet, covert strategists who laid the foundations for this shit show to now be outnumbered by noisy, boundary-pushing activists. In a massive self-own, they are drawing attention to all the issues. If it wasn’t such a disaster for women and children it would be very entertaining.

Men should not strip search women. No man, no time.

It's interesting how the reverse aspect of this policy (that I believe was also mentioned in the report) has had next to no attention - namely coercing female police officers into searching men who claim to be women. This has become a bit of an issue in Germany over the past year due to police guidance in Berlin getting queered to incorporate this. Subsequently it seems local drug dealers have discovered this as a loophole. (Police unions have countered by arguing there's nothing to stop male officers to ad hoc develop gender feels in order to help out their colleagues.)

(Police unions have countered by arguing there's nothing to stop male officers to ad hoc develop gender feels in order to help out their colleagues.)

Well yes, that's the kind of thinking I like to see.

Quite.

'We have the legal right to assault women and you can't stop us'

Fuck off.

And fuck off with the sad wangling about we just want to pee etc that got us here, because now everyone can see it was a load of bollocks to get a foot in the door.

The trouble with all of this shit is that it is time limited. It's a Barnum job. You can only deceive all of the people some of the time - and then some get wise to you and tell everyone else, and you're done. That's it. Buh-bye.

Identifying as something you're not is not a way for the worst kind of men to get to legally and gleefully enjoy abusing women. Because no decent man would do this.

The trouble with all of this shit is that it is time limited. It's a Barnum job. You can only deceive all of the people some of the time - and then some get wise to you and tell everyone else, and you're done. That's it. Buh-bye.

Exactly. I sometimes refer to it as a pyramid scheme.

I don’t want a man strip searching a woman whether or not he’s got a certificate.

The number of male-bodied persons or penis people or whatever we are supposed to call men now who are legally permitted to forcibly strip a woman must be ZERO.

Not ‘in a small number of cases’

Not ‘if he has a certificate’

Not ‘if he really really wants to’

ZERO.

It’s also worth remembering that it’s adults who strip search children. I wonder how many of the handmaiden campaigners would really be happy for their preteen daughter to be strip searched by someone with a dick.

Particularly a man who saw the opportunity to search their daughter as an incentive to join the police.

UPDATE ON POLICE POWERS TO STRIP & INTIMATE SEARCH
Policing Minister @CPhilpOfficial has now acted on our letter and has asked for an urgent review into whether legal changes are needed to make clear that biological sex should be determinative in this matter.
Thank you to @WomensRightsNet for continuing to fight for women's dignity & safety - and to Conservative colleagues for recognising the seriousness of this matter.

twitter.com/NickFletcherMP/status/1762844905901003030?t=yKWRlDqTOzzTJnxnFydGSg&s=19

Good! Bravo. And shameful that without this action it would have been slid quietly through. Bastards. 😡

Thank you for the update.
Very angry that it was allowed in the first place. Was it another Stonewall “idea”?

It was the LGBTQ+ Lead for the National Police Chief's Council, DCC Vanessa Jardine, who is now the Chief Constable of Northumbria Police but Stonewall were in there planting these ideas in their heads:

"In December 2021(3), the National Police Chiefs Council (NPCC)approved a policy paper(4) put forward by their LGBTQ+ portfolio lead Deputy Chief Constable (DCC) Vanessa Jardine(5) that proposed the “adoption of a consistent searching policy for transgender officers and staff across forces nationally”.

The paper proposed for the first time that officers be permitted to strip and even intimately search suspects of the opposite sex if the officer self-identified as the same “gender” as the person being searched. This was exposed by the Women’s Rights Network in April 2022. It has also since been reported by the organisation Keep Prisons Single Sex(6)."

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https://www.womensrights.network/send-police-report

I have to admit, I was really hoping to see a trans woman police officer taking their employer to court for discrimination for not allowing them to strip search women. And for it to be all over the news.

It's just staggering. 'I demand to have a woman stripped and pinned down for me to feel to prove my dominance over her and her body 'womanhood'.'

At that point anyone sane is going to leave the building. This total lack of capacity for compassion, empathy, consideration or even basic social decency towards others is the bloody hallmark of this political movement.

Oh let it be PC Skye Morden 😎

Featured in Sex Matters letter to Chris Philip MP, Minister for Crime, Policing and Fire on 11 Jan 2024:

"We do not agree with your statement to the Home Affairs Select Committee that if a police officer has a gender-recognition certificate (GRC) they must be allowed to search detainees of the opposite sex. As you recognise, it is likely to be humiliating and frightening for a woman to be searched by a male officer. It is no different if that officer has a certificate.

The Gender Recognition Act 2004 was enacted to enable transgender people to marry persons of the same sex (at the time before same-sex marriage) and in recognition of the right to respect for private and family life (protected by Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights). It must be remembered that a GRC is a legal fiction which does not change reality, and it does not remove other people’s rights.

In practice the ability to keep information private about whether a person is male or female is very limited. It may be highly meaningful to an individual that they identify as a “trans woman”, but the fact that they are male remains salient to other people, and is likely to remain perceptible to those who meet them. It is neither practical or compatible with other people's human rights for a person to demand to keep their sex “private” where their job involves close physical contact with other people.

To illustrate, these are three police and border officers who could have searching duties under this policy. The intention of these pictures is not to suggest that these three officers (who have each publicised their trans identity) are not “genuinely trans”, to impugn their individual motives or to mock their appearance. It is simply to underline that gender identity does not change, erase or conceal sex."

https://sex-matters.org/posts/publications/letter-to-chris-philps-mp/

The letter is also linked from this excellent article (the answer is "No!"):

Is a GRC really a licence to search?
1 Feb 2024 - Sex Matters

https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/is-a-grc-really-a-licence-to-search/