Milli Hill receives apology from Doula UK for bullying from its members

[DerekFaker]

Doula UK apologise to me for distress caused by online bullying.

And they are one of a growing number of organisations who are seeing sense.

https://millihill.substack.com/p/doula-uk-apologise-to-me-for-distress

Brilliant news about Milli!

Great news and about time!

And what relevance does this have to her views on trans people, out of interest?

People can dress this up and make excuses all they like...but let's call it for what it is; the age-old practice of shaming a woman for her sexual history. And however you spin it, it is completely irrelevant to her thoughts on trans rights.

It should be something that FWR are campaigning against, not putting into practice and then justifying themselves.

Then report those posts on that thread and stop trying to derail this thread.

Really pleased for Milli

This thread is about celebrating an apology someone received for being the subject of online bullying.

I am asking if Zoe Williams can expect the same from Mumsnet, who are hosting a thread that makes her the subject of online bullying.

Then report the individual posts on that thread and MN will respond to your query.

I know nothing about the Zoe Williams thread, haven't even read it. But surely discussions about it should be in THAT thread, then you can debate with the actual people who are talking about her!

Please stop derailing this thread.

It is clearly not a derail.

It is a very relevant point that I am making to the subject matter of this thread.

The rock is grey & very handy for averting merailing

Agree @Theinnocenteyeballsinthesky

Yes, when you haven't got an answer it is best to ignore eh.

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Why should they speak for other members? We're not a hive mind. Go and take it up with the actual people who have posted about Zoe Williams in the Zoe.Williams thread.

Asked and answered.

Sorry, wrong thread

So you agree then, Zoe Williams should receive an apology, and you'll be pleased with that, because no woman should be targeted for online bullying.

That's good that you have a consistent position, because there are other posters here that seem to be inconsistent, and seem to be pleased that Milli Hill has received an apology, but don't think that Zoe Williams should receive one.

That's not Milli?! But yes two results in one day!

In fact, the opposite happened. I received the warmest, kindest, most genuine email straight back from the founder. I can still remember opening it on a train to London and reading it with tears in my eyes. I’m not going to share the contents, but suffice to say the breastfeeding counsellor who was trying to chip chip chip away at my livelihood got rapped over the knuckles, and I received an invite to have a ‘very strong margarita’ on the Gold Coast of Australia, should I ever be passing that way.

This is heartening!

It is. Lovely to hear.

The speaker told them that she would not speak at their conference unless they took this quote off their website. And amazingly, IMUK said no. And the speaker had no choice but to forgo her invite to speak.

This is so bizarre. You won't take part in a professional event because one professional complimented the event? What is even the logic there? Do they go and check who everyone at the event has voted for as well or whether there are any "wrong" religious beliefs there?

I always thought a doula was a lovely idea. I'm quite sad to see they can be bigoted against protected beliefs - I wonder if they refuse to work for women who think things they disagree with? Reminds me of the thing I read the other day about a care home staff praying for the soul of a gay man who was dying, solely because he was gay.

I’ve never been able to understand how the TRA’s haven’t gone after the term midwife for being insufficiently inclusive. Midbirthingperson would obviously make much more sense & be KINDER. Not to those with English as an additional language, nor those with learning disabilities; but as we know from all the other health-related language-manglings like cervix-haver; that’s fine.

Wonderful news; & may the ripples of sanity spread to furthest reaches of this duck pond of absurdity where some feckwits have given the foxes assorted floaties, swimming lessons, & keep telling them they’re beautiful swans…

midwifery and doulas know what sex is.

all of them.

As I said in a previous post that you quoted and replied to, I hadn't read the thread, so no.

I have now read the thread. I was somewhat surprised to see that you haven't posted in it at all - why is that, I wonder?

One poster has said she can't take ZW seriously since she wrote columns about 'shagging her way around London' - that's not shaming her for her sex life, that's shaming her for making a column about it. I personally don't like columns like that myself, find them boring and immature. Most people have a sex life, a lot of people 'shag around' - so what? As others have said, if you're going to put writing out in the public domain, people are going to have an opinion about it.

One poster has said she hopes she suffers the consequences of her beliefs. There are A LOT of consequences of pushing a belief that men can be women, from women having to undress in front of men, to having to play sport against them, to missing out on awards, places on panels etc. Of course you would imply the most nefarious intentions.

As for people questioning her intelligence - is this your first day on the Internet? If someone writes something others deem stupid, they will say so!

SO surprised to see a TRA being disingenuous! Shocked, I tells ya!

So NO, I do not think ZW has been bullied, and NO I do not think she deserves an apology from Mumsnet and NO a few posts on a forum is NOT worse than what Milli Hill has been through - have you actually read her blog??

I won't be replying to you again, and I hope nobody else does either. Just wanted to address your disingenuous takes for the benefit of everyone reading.