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UN investigates UK human rights body after ‘smear’ on chairwoman

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IwantToRetire · 08/01/2024 00:05

Unfounded allegations against an equalities chief have led to threats of human rights blacklisting against Britain by the United Nations.

Baroness Falkner of Margravine was cleared of bullying, harassment and discrimination and given an apology after an internal investigation by the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC), which she chairs.

A global human rights body has opened a review, based partly on the bullying smear, that could limit the EHRC’s involvement with UN human rights mechanisms including its Human Rights Council.

A dispute over transgender issues is the main driver of the decision by the Global Alliance of National Human Rights Institutions (Ganhri) to put Britain’s equality body under the microscope by reviewing whether it should keep its A status as an independent monitor.

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/Rbnrm/www.thetimes.co.uk/article/mps-to-debate-gender-petition-backed-by-jk-rowling-qh0h0bctk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Lord Shinkwin, a Conservative peer, told The Sunday Telegraph: “The fact they are using the bully allegations highlights the absurdity of the situation, they are clutching at straws that have disintegrated a long time ago.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/un-investigates-uk-human-rights-body-after-smear-on-chairwoman-vwd900wbw

Original story is in the Telegraph but cant find it.

This Times version can be read here https://archive.ph/Rbnrm

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CeeCeeBloom · 08/01/2024 01:06

At this point the UN just need to come out of the closet as the women-hating, antisemitic, rapist and terrorist-supporting organisation they are.

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 08/01/2024 06:50

Its the same mentality as when police target individual women - the punishment is the process. The women or organisation have to spend time fighting this and deal with any damage to their reputation, even when the allegations are spurious.

Its obvious that the trans lobbyists want anyone with gender to be able to define themselves as a distinct group - talk of 'trans' people, but women are stopped from doing the same. Every word women use to describe themselves is adopted by men with gender - woman, female. And when we find new ones, like biological sex - they are either adopted too, or declared offensive.

The idea that asking 'what is a women' is seen as hate speech is an attempt to stop women defining themselves.

ResisterRex · 08/01/2024 07:09

I've said it before that the rise of this agenda needs to be seen in a global context. Turn to Scotland or Wales, if we'd not had a Tory UK government then it would be a fait accompli by now. (Yes yes I know about Nokes, Wallis and Blunt. But broadly they seem to have realised this wasn't a fringe issue and that they need to bring us back to a sensible and fair position)

keylemon · 08/01/2024 07:15

At this point the UN just need to come out of the closet as the women-hating, antisemitic, rapist and terrorist-supporting organisation they are.

This

If you check the heads of most of these organisations had past roles in extreme leftist political parties. Unfortunately, they decide more than politicians. WHO banning cash during COVID comes to mind.

PriOn1 · 08/01/2024 08:21

It will be an utterly bizarre situation if the UK is put on the naughty step with Afghanistan and Russia.

How clear does it have to be that something is going very badly wrong somewhere?

However on a smaller scale, it’s in line with the bizarre supposition that lots of formerly middle of the road and leftist women, who’ve been generally supportive of extending human rights have suddenly entirely changed and have turned into raging anti-human rights bigots.

Datun · 08/01/2024 08:36

However, Ganrhi decided to order a review into whether the EHRC should keep its A status, which gives it full access to the UN human rights establishment.

Can someone with more knowledge than I have, explain what would be the implications of this, should it happen.

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 08/01/2024 10:35

I know nothing, but im assuming its a seat at the table?

If we dont say that men are women, we cannot contribute to the UN policies and standards.

Its top down policy making.

Froodwithatowel · 08/01/2024 10:38

And there, sadly, is the final gasp of the UN. A once respected and worthy organisation.

Those whom the gender lobby destroys, they first drive mad.

Bookery · 08/01/2024 11:07

keylemon · 08/01/2024 07:15

At this point the UN just need to come out of the closet as the women-hating, antisemitic, rapist and terrorist-supporting organisation they are.

This

If you check the heads of most of these organisations had past roles in extreme leftist political parties. Unfortunately, they decide more than politicians. WHO banning cash during COVID comes to mind.

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I'm not sure which heads you're referencing; I'm also not sure why you would say that most of them have had a role in extremely left-leaning parties, as it's not true unless you're mistakenly thinking that "Socialist" parties in many European countries (France, Spain, Norway, Sweden, etc) are far-left. Despite the word "socialist" in their name, they are far from far-left.

While some of those positions in intergovernmental institutions are filled by former politicians, they are often affiliated with centrist or even conservative/right-wing parties of their respective countries as well.

Politically unaffiliated officials are also named as heads as well; for instance, the incumbent High Commissioner of Refugees (head of UNHCR), is a career diplomat. The incumbent Executive Director of UN Women is also a diplomat from Jordan (which doesn't have, as you can imagine, an "extreme left" presence in government).

In addition, the current UN High Commissioner for Human Rights is a lawyer from Austria and politically unaffiliated, and has no known involvement in modern-day trangender/queer rights activism that clashes with female rights.

theilltemperedclavecinist · 08/01/2024 13:35

... the bizarre supposition that lots of formerly middle of the road and leftist women, who’ve been generally supportive of extending human rights have suddenly entirely changed and have turned into raging anti-human rights bigots.

It's a mystery isn't it?

Froodwithatowel · 08/01/2024 13:50

And on the other hand there's the mystery of those who identify very loudly and vigorously about their left voting socialist credentials and how evil anyone is who does not vote as they do....

while their actions are all about embracing homophobia, racism, ageism, religious intolerance and misogyny. In a very un left political way.

It's almost like identifying as and in reality being are two totally different things.

theilltemperedclavecinist · 08/01/2024 14:33

Froodwithatowel · 08/01/2024 13:50

And on the other hand there's the mystery of those who identify very loudly and vigorously about their left voting socialist credentials and how evil anyone is who does not vote as they do....

while their actions are all about embracing homophobia, racism, ageism, religious intolerance and misogyny. In a very un left political way.

It's almost like identifying as and in reality being are two totally different things.

You are too cynical. I know many irl who are rational, left-leaning, and not at all hateful, but whose thinking has gone awry on just this one topic.

They think I've been brainwashed by US Republicans/Christian Fundamentalists 'like' Badenoch/stupid celebrities 'like' Rowling/hateful anti-semitic conspiracy theorists 'like' Joyce/Tory-supporting sh*t stirrers in the MSM (they might not be 100% wrong on the last item, although they do also think the Guardian is transphobic FFS).

They think that once Labour are in power it will all go quiet, because they'll be busy fixing the economy, so trans people will no longer live in fear and can go back to quietly living their lives.

😂😂😂

Froodwithatowel · 08/01/2024 14:48

It just isnt one topic though.

It's amazing how suddenly all the professed love of multiculturalism and gay coolness and rainbows and social justice and oh wow yes safeguarding goes west the second that person's diversity conflicts with a male person's desire for self expression using them.

And usually once the lid's come off it's quite amazing what starts to come out, and how very shallow and insincere a veneer it all was in the first place. Not to mention the staggering snobbery about anyone not of the same opinions is scum who needs to be made to do what their betters tell them.

Too cynical? Well, trained by pattern recognition and experience from talking with Starmer among others. There's a lot of it about and it isn't a little not really mattering much thing.

ArabellaScott · 08/01/2024 15:44

FFS. This is outrageous.

500milesaway · 08/01/2024 15:57

I'm at the stage I couldn't care less.
The UK are the thorn in the side of the extremists. They are throwing everything at us for the UK govt to fold and also there are clear indications that the UN are deliberately provoking UK women.

Will it really be a bad thing? As a women living in the UK I don't give a shit if a UN man is upset that I can have access to spaces that exclude all males as per the Equality Act. What will remove the rights of UK women is policies that have Stonewall written all over them. We see today that police forces have a policy that is no more than sexual assault. It doesn't matter if its not legal- its the policy, its happening and women are having their rights removed.

I am just thoroughly sickened at how rotten this world is.

igivein · 08/01/2024 16:16

theilltemperedclavecinist · 08/01/2024 13:35

... the bizarre supposition that lots of formerly middle of the road and leftist women, who’ve been generally supportive of extending human rights have suddenly entirely changed and have turned into raging anti-human rights bigots.

It's a mystery isn't it?

This might sound a bit left field, but what you said chimed with something I read earlier about the Post Office scandal along the lines of why did nobody consider it strange that hundreds of formerly upright and hard-working postmasters had suddenly turned into criminals.
Both seem to indicate that those running the show nationally / globally either have no critical thinking skills at all, or have out-sourced all thinking, presumably to unelected special interest groups / global corporations. Neither of these possibilities fill me with hope for the future...

Imnobody4 · 08/01/2024 16:36

This is ridiculous and doesn't refect well on Ganhri. They seem to be placing a lot of emphasis on the report of Victor Madrigal-Borloz......

The SCA also notes the concerns expressed by the UN Independent Expert on protection against violence and discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity (IE- SOGI) in his end of
mission statement following his country visit to the United Kingdom in April-May 2023.
Following a meeting with the EHRC in May 2023, the Independent Expert expressed the opinion that the action of the EHRC, through its advice on the definition of ‘sex’ under the Equality Act, is “wholly unbecoming of an institution created to ‘stand up for those in need of protection and hold governments to account for their human rights obligations’”.

The SCA is of the view that third party submissions and publicly available information raise serious concerns about the continued compliance of the EHRC with the Paris Principles, including its ability to conduct its mandate independently, to take positions in line with international standards, and its cooperation with civil society.

In view of the information before it, the SCA decides to initiate a Special Review in accordance with
Article 16.2 of the GANHRI Statute in order to determine the EHRC’s ongoing compliance with the Paris Principles.

theilltemperedclavecinist · 08/01/2024 16:40

igivein · 08/01/2024 16:16

This might sound a bit left field, but what you said chimed with something I read earlier about the Post Office scandal along the lines of why did nobody consider it strange that hundreds of formerly upright and hard-working postmasters had suddenly turned into criminals.
Both seem to indicate that those running the show nationally / globally either have no critical thinking skills at all, or have out-sourced all thinking, presumably to unelected special interest groups / global corporations. Neither of these possibilities fill me with hope for the future...

I believe they assumed that SPMs had always been skimming, and the introduction of Horizon enabled them to be caught.

Just like the colossal rise in GD referrals means trans kids always existed but were previously suppressed by societal expectations.

igivein · 08/01/2024 16:42

theilltemperedclavecinist · 08/01/2024 16:40

I believe they assumed that SPMs had always been skimming, and the introduction of Horizon enabled them to be caught.

Just like the colossal rise in GD referrals means trans kids always existed but were previously suppressed by societal expectations.

It's the seeming inability to even consider an alternative hypothesis that worries me. It's confirmation bias on steroids.

theilltemperedclavecinist · 08/01/2024 17:03

Imnobody4 · 08/01/2024 16:36

This is ridiculous and doesn't refect well on Ganhri. They seem to be placing a lot of emphasis on the report of Victor Madrigal-Borloz......

The SCA also notes the concerns expressed by the UN Independent Expert on protection against violence and discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity (IE- SOGI) in his end of
mission statement following his country visit to the United Kingdom in April-May 2023.
Following a meeting with the EHRC in May 2023, the Independent Expert expressed the opinion that the action of the EHRC, through its advice on the definition of ‘sex’ under the Equality Act, is “wholly unbecoming of an institution created to ‘stand up for those in need of protection and hold governments to account for their human rights obligations’”.

The SCA is of the view that third party submissions and publicly available information raise serious concerns about the continued compliance of the EHRC with the Paris Principles, including its ability to conduct its mandate independently, to take positions in line with international standards, and its cooperation with civil society.

In view of the information before it, the SCA decides to initiate a Special Review in accordance with
Article 16.2 of the GANHRI Statute in order to determine the EHRC’s ongoing compliance with the Paris Principles.

So Madrigal-Borloz thinks that sex shouldn't be a protected characteristic? How does he justify that?

Froodwithatowel · 08/01/2024 17:08

The root of it will be that it's bloody inconvenient to men's sexual freedoms.

There'll be a fuckton of wangling and burble first, but that's what it will all boil down to.

theilltemperedclavecinist · 08/01/2024 17:25

It's a huge blind spot though, isn't it - not to be able to see that, in terms of the sheer numbers, the vast majority of discrimination, disadvantage and violence in the world is being inflicted on people with a single protected characteristic. You know the ones I mean. We Who Must Not Be Named.

EasternStandard · 08/01/2024 17:33

Women are getting it from all angles atm

Males supported by institutions and many

Women speaking up need to be take out - modern day McCarthyism

IwantToRetire · 08/01/2024 18:01

The Telegraph is a much better article so thanks for the link.

I agree with whoever said

They seem to be placing a lot of emphasis on the report of Victor Madrigal-Borloz......

There were threads on this at the time about how biased his visit had been, and I think Reem Alsalem wrote something challenging his report at the time.

I dont think it is necessarily linked to the party politics of any country, or how effective or relevant the UN is.

I think this is a direct example of just how worldwide the trans analysis is, so that they feel able to say women wanting same sex support or whatever is transphobic and is supported by so many.

This is just part of the power play by TRAs.

What better way to insult the UK for not meekly following the line taken by so many countries that trans rights come before anything else.

And to publicly humiliate (in their eyes) the UK, one of the founding members of the UN post WWII, than saying it doesn't meet the standards of Human Rights practices and so cant be part of making judgements about other countries!

After all this is part of the same thinking at the UN that is writing guidelines on trans care that equate to best practice being affirmation and prescribing hormones.

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