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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Civil servant given warning after ‘inappropriately’ saying there are two sides to the trans debate

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IwantToRetire · 07/01/2024 01:30

Work and pensions official investigated and found guilty of breaching department’s behaviour policy and rules on harassment

Among the remarks made by the civil servant, and branded as “inappropriate comments relating to trans women” by a DWP investigator, were the comments: “One of the things I struggle to understand as a lesbian myself is, how can trans women be lesbian as lesbian is same sex attracted, not gender?”, “I find the term cis very offensive”, “Sport is segregated because there is a difference” and “What if you don’t believe in gender? I don’t”.

Discussing the comment, “It’s useful to hear both sides of a subject,” a DWP investigator claimed that the “event did not appear to be a forum designed to generate debate on both sides of the subject” and therefore it was “inappropriate” and made in the wrong context.

The department’s investigation led to an official warning against the civil servant.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/06/civil-servant-warning-inappropriate-trans-debate/

On first reading I thought this is clearly against the now legally established right to the belief in sex being a biological reality.

On re-reading I still see that but would also say that it is homophobic of whoever accused her, because she was making statement about her protected characteristic of being same sex attracted.

Article can be read at https://archive.ph/c043P

Civil servant given warning after ‘inappropriately’ saying there are two sides to the trans debate

Work and pensions official investigated and found guilty of breaching department’s behaviour policy and rules on harassment

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/06/civil-servant-warning-inappropriate-trans-debate

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LoobiJee · 08/01/2024 00:16

stillplentyofjunkinthetrunk · 07/01/2024 12:57

yes as I understand it the warning was prior to the Forstater judgement. Nevertheless the case that there is a public interest in making sure future staff training in the civil service and other uk public institutions is properly updated to reflect the legal situation (some people believe a / some people believe b) seems sensible.

The poster suggesting the pro tory papers will be doing what they can to make labour look bad ahead of the election is also I'm sure partially correct. But in this area Labour really don't need any help to look bad. Sunlight remains the best disinfectant.

The poster suggesting the pro tory papers will be doing what they can to make labour look bad ahead of the election is also I'm sure partially correct.

Except that the Tories had been in charge of the UK civil service and of implementation of the Equality Act for 11 years at the time this incident happened. So it’s the Telegraph’s own “side” that looks bad in this article……

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