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Shocking American News Story ** Trigger warning: related to miscarriage **

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LauderSyme · 03/01/2024 00:23

I thought I had reached my own personal peak of outrage regarding legal assaults on women's rights in the US. But this news item literally dropped my jaw in shock and horror. I had no idea this is being done to women. 1000 cases since 2006!

Woman faces potential prosecution after dangerous pregnancy ends in miscarriage

An Ohio woman whose failed pregnancy ended in a miscarriage at home was charged with abusing a corpse for how she dealt with the remains from the miscarriage...

https://youtu.be/3JkZfzVCh0o?si=RsUYAh2P9uaSmz7j

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LaughingCat · 03/01/2024 01:05

Yeah…alongside the lack of gun control and a healthcare system that somehow makes the NHS look top notch (if you don’t have insurance)…I struggle to see why anyone would want to live there. This is yet another harrowing example from the US of how women are being punished for and disenfranchised from their own bodies. They must be going through hell.

Delphinium20 · 03/01/2024 06:43

THIS is precisely why I get angry when people tell me I should vote for Republicans due to their stance on gender identity (they wants gender affirming care banned and men out of women's sports) but they ALSO enact legislation and support actions that punish women for being pregnant or not being pregnant.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 03/01/2024 08:50

This is happening increasingly in the UK with the police very enthusuastic about finding and prosecuting women for this.

Sorry but can't get a share token for the attached article in the Times but in an extract:

"Clare Murphy, the chief executive of the British Pregnancy Advice Service, said: “We are deeply concerned by the rise in the number of women investigated and prosecuted for ending a pregnancy over the last five years.
“There appears to be a much more concerted drive towards criminalising women in very difficult circumstances, with both police and prosecutors displaying a distinct lack of understanding of — and sensitivity to — the situations of these women. It is clear that, unless parliament acts, women will continue to face prison terms under our archaic abortion law.”

These recent charging decisions have made by the CPS and it's worth remembering that the CPS seems to have an inbuilt anti women bias (looking at issues like rape convictions and their dabbling in promoting trans issues at the expense of the rights of women and girls).

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/calls-to-change-archaic-abortion-law-as-fifth-woman-faces-court-r86x6rjj0

Calls to change ‘archaic’ abortion law as fifth woman faces court

A woman who has appeared in court accused of having an illegal abortion is the fifth reported to have been prosecuted this year.The woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, is accused of procuring “poison” — the abortion drugs mifepristone and mis...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/calls-to-change-archaic-abortion-law-as-fifth-woman-faces-court-r86x6rjj0

LaughingCat · 03/01/2024 19:33

MrsOvertonsWindow · 03/01/2024 08:50

This is happening increasingly in the UK with the police very enthusuastic about finding and prosecuting women for this.

Sorry but can't get a share token for the attached article in the Times but in an extract:

"Clare Murphy, the chief executive of the British Pregnancy Advice Service, said: “We are deeply concerned by the rise in the number of women investigated and prosecuted for ending a pregnancy over the last five years.
“There appears to be a much more concerted drive towards criminalising women in very difficult circumstances, with both police and prosecutors displaying a distinct lack of understanding of — and sensitivity to — the situations of these women. It is clear that, unless parliament acts, women will continue to face prison terms under our archaic abortion law.”

These recent charging decisions have made by the CPS and it's worth remembering that the CPS seems to have an inbuilt anti women bias (looking at issues like rape convictions and their dabbling in promoting trans issues at the expense of the rights of women and girls).

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/calls-to-change-archaic-abortion-law-as-fifth-woman-faces-court-r86x6rjj0

From my reading of they article, I think this is a little different. The ones in the US are for miscarrying, mostly if they test positive for illicit substances (so amphetamines/cocaine etc), under the ‘foetal assault laws’ that exist in many of the states. They have also been used successfully against women who’ve delivered at home or miscarried through falling.

The UK ones are more cases of women who have procured abortion medications outside of health services, in order to induce an abortion themselves after the legal threshold of 24 weeks+, which is a bit different.

I am not in any way condoning the decisions to charge these women…I personally think that without in-depth knowledge of the cases, and the reasons why the women in question chose that drastic course of action, then I can’t possibly judge them. It’s not something anyone would do on a whim.

But I’m not sure it can be classed as the same as ‘drug user miscarries, with no proof it was due to their drug use, but will be criminalised and imprisoned anyway’. Even if they do serve their sentences and are released, last I checked, the US doesn’t have spent convictions etc. These women miscarried and then are jailed - they can never vote again, never get a job without reliving their trauma of losing their baby and being incarcerated for it, never volunteer for anything with a background check.

It’s probably closer to the women who were imprisoned here for children they lost to cot deaths, thanks to that medical professional who provided completely erroneous clinical advice on the statistical chances of having more than one cot death in your family.

SerendipityJane · 03/01/2024 19:36

I wonder if they vet jurors views if it goes to trial ?

Echobelly · 03/01/2024 19:39

It has been pointed out this is all part of their thing to say 'Nooo, we won't arrest women for abortion/miscarriage' but using charges that can only happen in such an event to punish women.

What really boils my piss is you just know this stuff that effectively criminalises miscarriage generally starts with blokes who haven't the first clue about it. They probably assume miscarriage is rare and must only happen when the mother 'does something wrong', rather than incredibly common (one in every 3 or 4 pregnancies in first trimester) and is seldom anything to do with any action on the part of the mother.

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