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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Actor stalks woman for research

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LentilFaculties · 02/01/2024 13:04

An actor admits he stalked a woman off the tube as part of research for a role. This despite experiencing being stalked himself.

This bothers me because there's no recognition of the power differential at all (except subconsciously, because obviously he chose not to stalk a man). I know all stalking is terrible and happens to men too, but when men do it to women it can also be part of an escalation of violence that can end in rape and murder. Plus women are likely to have already experienced violence and abuse from men in their lives and be more sensitive to the effects of being stalked, even if it's just the once. We have no way of telling who's a murderer and who is merely researching, when our boundaries are being violated.

I'm not really interested in who the actor is, I imagine many (male ones) would have done the same. I am more interested in the environment which enables this behaviour.

Isn't it fascinating he feels able to admit to doing something that plays on misogyny and dangerous power differentials? He feels safe and assured that society won't cancel him? If his upcoming role had involved abuse of a man - for being black or being gay for example - would he have felt able to research in a similar manner?

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heathspeedwell · 02/01/2024 13:07

That's really disturbing. The fact a popular actor happily admits to having done this will also make it easier for other men to think that stalking is ok.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 02/01/2024 13:07

That’s his story. And he’s sticking to it.

’Research’ covers many dubious activities . I remember a rock star a while ago who was just ‘researching’ pedophile websites. Got off with a caution, too.

JustanotherMNSlapperTwat · 02/01/2024 13:12

Well that's disturbing and shows a distinct lack of judgement

Isn't that the 50 shades actor as well? Did he also practice tying up women and dominating them prior to those films too?

BettyFilous · 02/01/2024 13:15

Jamie Dornan was a very convincing stalker/serial rapist/killer in The Fall. So much so that I went right off him. This article isn’t doing anything to change my initial misgivings. Grim.

Scrantonicity2 · 02/01/2024 13:21

I think that following someone, unnoticed, once, in a public place, is not really 'stalking' and could serve to minimise the relentless, terrifying experience that stalking actually is.

I do realise that it could have been a very unsettling experience for the woman if she had noticed.

And yes, That’s his story. And he’s sticking to it. "research" isn't a great excuse.

Swallowdoubleandrunamile · 02/01/2024 13:23

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 02/01/2024 13:07

That’s his story. And he’s sticking to it.

’Research’ covers many dubious activities . I remember a rock star a while ago who was just ‘researching’ pedophile websites. Got off with a caution, too.

Totally agree, it drives me mad when men get away with this shit.
The rock star you mentioned wants shooting.

Scrantonicity2 · 02/01/2024 13:24

Also, it happened in 2015. So I guess being brought up in the light of his recent fan experience coming to his house.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2015/apr/01/jamie-dornan-stalked-woman-the-fall

NeverDropYourMooncup · 02/01/2024 13:28

Well, that's at best described as vaguely plausible.

Of course, if somebody were a creepy stalker/potential rapist as well as an actor, it would be handy to be able to pre-empt a press story or complaint(s) to the Police by freely declaring 'Oh yes, I did some research as part of refining my Craft' (conveniently ignoring the fear and distress that could have been caused to a victim of a tone deaf male thinking it's clearly different in his case because he's not like those other men).

'I need to report a man following me'.

'Oh, that's x, he's an actor, it's just for research'.

'Get the fuck away from me, I'm calling the Police'

Oh, shit. Then my wife will know, I could get arrested, I'll be the sex offender actor...IT'S RESEARCH FOR A ROLE!

'This is so and so, I'm a journalist. Would you like to comment upon reports that you've been following/stalking various women travelling home via public transport?'

RESEARCH! RESEARCH!

TomWambsgansSwans · 02/01/2024 13:29

The news story is nine years old and happened before he did 50 Shades of Grey - I'm not defending it but he's obviously not a stalker www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/la-et-st-emmy-contenders-the-falls-jamie-dornan-found-his-innerstalker-for-some-perspective-20150330-story.html

Atethehalloweenchocs · 02/01/2024 13:42

I think a lot of men have no idea of the impact of their behaviour on women (or choose to not think about it) so the fact that she would have been scared would not have occured. Creep.

LentilFaculties · 02/01/2024 13:54

I'm not minimising serious stalking. Part of my point is that it is precisely because of having experienced serious abuse and violence from men that many women would find even a one-off stalking-lite research experience terrifying. Prior experience of male pattern violence tends to traumatise and when our boundaries are being violated we can't tell the intent until it happens.

At what point does somebody's supposedly benign intent stop mitigating his action? As I said, he chose to stalk a woman, not a man. Where would he / any male actor draw the line with researching abusive characters? Would they dare abuse a random man? Would they happily admit to, I dunno, homophobic abuse, to get in role?

My point is also about the society we live in, where a man can admit to something like this without fear.

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Rightsraptor · 02/01/2024 17:11

I stopped reading part way through (boredom) but surely stalking doesn't cover one single episode of following someone? Or maybe Dornan repeated his actions, which I'd have discovered if I hadn't got bored.

pickledandpuzzled · 02/01/2024 17:19

A woman was followed by a man.

How is she supposed to know his intentions? Did he make any effort to discern her previous experience of abuse and the extent to who his behaviour could have triggered her? That’s the issue. Not whether it was multiple incidents.

Her panic has she noticed could have endangered her- caused her to turn to someone untrustworthy to escape the presumed predator, caused a massive trauma reaction etc.

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BettyFilous · 02/01/2024 13:15

Jamie Dornan was a very convincing stalker/serial rapist/killer in The Fall. So much so that I went right off him. This article isn’t doing anything to change my initial misgivings. Grim.

Why in heaven's name did he think this was at all appropriate? Especially with the stalking experience he himself had that elicited his comment That was f*ing scary. 🌹

TempestTost · 02/01/2024 17:31

Yeah, I don't think stalking is the same as following someone. My understanding is that the definition means that it is a kind of ongoing thing over time.

If someone follows you once, it's just following you. Which could be very bad depending on their intent, it doesn't necessarily mean it's less serious.

I can believe a youngish actor could do something like that without thinking about it too much. I tried with some friends to follow someone once, we thought it would be cool.

LoobyDop · 02/01/2024 21:48

BettyFilous · 02/01/2024 13:15

Jamie Dornan was a very convincing stalker/serial rapist/killer in The Fall. So much so that I went right off him. This article isn’t doing anything to change my initial misgivings. Grim.

I can’t watch him, he makes my skin crawl. Either his acting in The Fall was incredible, or he’s genuinely creepy. Why does he keep getting cast as a predator?

Stopsnowing · 02/01/2024 22:03

If he was following her and she noticed she would have been scared. How about he try acting or do research by talking to victims and criminals

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