Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Surprised to see this one sided post

25 replies

baubl · 28/12/2023 07:15

www.facebook.com/groups/wiwikau/permalink/2123440631328543/

Or is it just that people are too scared (like me) to declare an opposing view on Facebook?

Are pretty much all uni students aboard the trans train?

OP posts:
Boiledbeetle · 28/12/2023 07:21

I'm not on Facebook so all I get from the link is the screenshot below.

Can you post a photo of the post you are referring to.

Thanks

Surprised to see this one sided post
dementedpixie · 28/12/2023 07:22

It's a private group so I can't read posts

PuttingDownRoots · 28/12/2023 07:22

From knowing teens... what they actually believe and what they put on SM can be two different things.

Howsoon23 · 28/12/2023 07:28

@baubl yeah i saw that decided that life was too short to get into it - cowardice maybe - on the other hand its purpose is not for arguing about policy stuff and its really useful

baubl · 28/12/2023 07:52

This is the post then there's loads of comments about how great it is

Surprised to see this one sided post
OP posts:
MadeOfAllWork · 28/12/2023 08:00

Don’t forget that students are a select group. Middle class on the whole and gender issues are very much a middle class problem.

JayAlfredPrufrock · 28/12/2023 08:07

I pushed back.

everyredsock · 28/12/2023 08:07

MadeOfAllWork · 28/12/2023 08:00

Don’t forget that students are a select group. Middle class on the whole and gender issues are very much a middle class problem.

That's not true

StragglyTinsel · 28/12/2023 08:12

Oh it’s just a virtue signalling cool mum on Facebook.

Ignore. Most people do. These people are not representative of anything but the social media they follow and aspire to.

OOlivePenderghast · 28/12/2023 08:15

I think the way the question is worded will give those sorts of answers. Also, people don’t want to be seen as not accepting. I think if it was a question about something specific like ‘my child is non-binary and is considering Sheffield Hallam, what are experiences there like for non-binary students?’ there would be a range of answers.

elephantandorchid · 28/12/2023 08:16

I saw that thread too. I suspect it is not representative of parents of older teenagers. The few people who tried very gently to put across another viewpoint were very strongly criticised and it will have put other people off from posting.

StragglyTinsel · 28/12/2023 08:17

MadeOfAllWork · 28/12/2023 08:00

Don’t forget that students are a select group. Middle class on the whole and gender issues are very much a middle class problem.

I think that virtue signalling around gender ideology and ‘ally ship’ is enormously middle class.

But the effects of all this nonsense are disproportionately bourne by vulnerable and disadvantaged young people. 1/4 of GIDS patients had been in care (and more would no longer be in their parents’ care as they progressed through the service).

This, of course, makes the middle class social media allyship and smug back patting all the worse.

baubl · 28/12/2023 08:25

They've switched off comments now, they got wind of it being on here. That was quick!

OP posts:
wudubelieveit · 28/12/2023 08:47

is there any reason you think its fine to post screenshots from a closed group discussion onto mumsnet? not too much different from a journalist taking comments from here and making a news story out of it.

crunchermuncher · 28/12/2023 10:21

It's one anonymous question. No one is being hounded for their views. Anyone posting online (including here) is- or should be- aware that their posts could be screen shotted and shared. 🤷‍♀️

baubl · 28/12/2023 10:40

It’s anonymous and I didn’t post any of the replies so I think that’s ok. Obviously wouldn’t have posted it if there was a name on it.

OP posts:
Woman2023 · 28/12/2023 12:54

It's sufficiently vague as to be a meaningless comment. I am just as accepting of people's gender identities as people's religious views.

In those situations where material reality is important beliefs may become more important.

MadeOfAllWork · 28/12/2023 13:56

StragglyTinsel · 28/12/2023 08:17

I think that virtue signalling around gender ideology and ‘ally ship’ is enormously middle class.

But the effects of all this nonsense are disproportionately bourne by vulnerable and disadvantaged young people. 1/4 of GIDS patients had been in care (and more would no longer be in their parents’ care as they progressed through the service).

This, of course, makes the middle class social media allyship and smug back patting all the worse.

I didn’t realise so many care leavers were involved. I take back what I said.

Zodfa · 28/12/2023 14:11

Well, the narrative is that the lives of trans people are in constant danger, so in that context the fact that university people tend to have more of a live-and-let-live attitude would come as a surprise.

PriOn1 · 29/12/2023 18:53

I’ve never come up against it, but don’t Facebook generally remove groups or posts that are openly gender critical?

cloudtree · 29/12/2023 18:55

I saw that post and didn’t comment because it was clearly one sided. I suspect lots of others did the same thing

ireallycantthinkofaname · 30/12/2023 00:01

I'm - just - 22 and consider myself gender critical* but wouldn't have dream of saying so to anyone but one person IRL frankly (who is of the same opinion as I am).
I just don't see it worth the emotional energy to get into a debate about really.

*confused might be more apt.
(I. Do. Not. Get. It. !!!)

cloudtree · 30/12/2023 09:12

Ds1 is a fresher with a transgender flatmate (biological female). He calls his flatmate “he” and refers to his flatmate as gay because his flat mate is in a relationship with a male. His flatmate has had a full mastectomy but no bottom surgery.

He doesn’t believe it does any harm to go along with it and sees it as not rocking the boat and “being kind”. He uses the preferred pronouns. He doesn’t however believe that a person can change sex.

He is finding the flatmate difficult to live with as a generally high maintenance person who needs constant attention and nobody in their large corridor wants to share with them next year.

DS1 is gay. Interestingly the university placed the transgender flatmate in the female section of the corridor.

DS2 is lower sixth and thinks it’s all complete nonsense and a mental health condition.

I am strongly feminist. We have all discussed the issues a lot over the dinner table. I have been very consistent in my view that it’s a mental health issue. That the reinforcement of the belief system is flawed, restricts freedom of speech, perpetuates harmful stereotypes and is damaging to women but that nobody should be treated detrimentally because of how they like to dress (unless it’s overtly sexual and therefore potentially harmful to others such as children - like the enormous boobs teacher in Canada or those who like to parade about in fetish gear in public where children might be).

WeirdButFuckingBeautiful · 30/12/2023 09:43

I’m in that group and did a massive eyeroll at that post. I also liked some GC comments. I suspect a lot of members eyerolled too. I wasn’t up for commenting as not been very well and didn’t want any flying monkeys drama. I think it’s important to show support for the GC view, both for the poster and readers. Hence the likes.

elephantandorchid · 30/12/2023 17:12

That's a good idea @WeirdButFuckingBeautiful about the likes. I'll do that next time.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page