Trevor Noah on Netflix

[MyNamechange2024]

Just watched the Netflix special. Not as funny as he used to be, then got to the bathroom thing. No-one is saying trans people can’t use public bathrooms Trevor. And you are using your male privilege to ignore the concerns that women have.

No he wasn't, and neither was I.

He was trying to say that politicians are using 'non issues' to distract voters from the important issues like the economy.

His example of a 'non issue' was single sex spaces. He said its not a problem and he's literally never experienced it being a problem.

Well you wouldn't Trevor, would you. You're a man.

I find RG so incredibly arrogant that I simply can't watch him even if there are occasionally funny bits.

I personally disagree. I remember the community and solidarity of a women's toilets, especially on a night out. Individual cubicles are isolating and destroy community - the Amazon of toilets - everyone in their own little box.

I'm sad that everyone has to lose this experience because some people can't understand the reality of their biological sex.

I seem to recall there was a thread a while back about young black women calling out things Trevor Noah had said which assumed all black people felt the same way and deliberately ignored US black women's lives, experiences and the statistics around this. I definitely remember watching a very articulate young US black woman's video about this. Can anyone remember this?

And yes, single sex spaces are required by many religions with predominantly BAME members - but that doesn't fit the 'MN is all white women' narrative. It's not all women and definitely not all white. In terms of female prisoners - who perhaps suffer the most from gender ideology allowing violent male sex offenders claiming to be women into their spaces - they are not all white either.

It is an odd take, and honestly the only way I can understand it is lack of understanding of a particular kind of privilege, and the consequences of not having that privilege.

I can see that, particularly in America, the idea of ‘protecting a lady’s honour’ has a particular flavour, but it should be possible to think ‘have JK Rowling and Martina Navratilova genuinely gone mad or do they have a point?’

It's whether a large group of middle aged mums have suddenly lost the plot or not, as well as the estimable JKR and MN etc.

I seem to recall the women calling out the (white fwiw) man flashing at Wii Spa was black. And it turned out he had form for indecent exposure and was on the sex offenders register but, you know, 'this never happens' and the black woman standing up for the other women and children exposed (without consent) to this dude's erect penis was monstered.

I seem to recall Allison Bailey ( who is both black and a lesbian) was implied to be a 'sexual racist' for believing lesbians can't have a penis during her court case against GCC & stonewall. I believe it was predominantly white people (in positions of power) who were making this suggestion.

Yea, he is so bad now, wasn't funny at all, I was shocked. I used to love his stand-up bits.

Noah is a typical bourgeois hypocrite. When police opened fire on striking miners in S.Africa he waved it away with a joke : ' when did a protest in S.Africa not end with a fight?'

Hilarious. He runs away from class politics and takes refuge in identity point scoring.

Well Ricky Gervais is No.1 on Netflix with his show, and it's interesting that people are still kicking off over the "transphobia" even though I don't recall trans coming up in his latest show.

TRAs tend to hold a grudge.

Just watched Armageddon and it's brilliant. Whilst some bits are uncomfortable, that's the point. The point is getting you to question whether REALLY the person screaming at a disabled person for being a 'racist' (allegedly) is the 'good progressive' or not. And it's not even that divorced from reality or exaggerated for effect - we had a TRA linked to a political party screaming at a baby and we've had a particular man verbally abusing a disabled woman for wanting single sex care. These things have actually happened.

He nailed it with his comments at the end. 'if woke now means being a puritanical, authoritarian bully who gets people fired for an honest opinion or even a fact, then no, I'm not woke'

I think 'puritanical, authoritarian bully' describes perfectly those male comedians like Trevor Noah raking in the cash who enjoy punching down on women, and their vocal support of the removal of single sex spaces will affect the most vulnerable women the most - those in prison, disabled women who want single sex care, women who've been traumatised by by male violence and children. It is real abuse of male privilege in action. How they must secretly love the movement that has inverted reality so that supporting abusive men earns you social kudos whilst at the same time you can make women's lives more miserable.

And just to add - bloody love Ricky Gervais. If I had to pick a public figure who I was certain really wasn't a misogynist, he'd be it. He's brilliant and I love the little comments about Jane all through the act.

The bit about the website 'does the dog die' and the questions for Schindler's list really is a potent summary of our times and where society has gone badly wrong...

I dunno... I watched Armageddon too last night but switched it off halfway.
I thought the point was comedy but didn't laugh much after the first few minutes.
I love his politics and that he speaks up but I watch Helen Joyce for that kind of thing.

Well Ricky Gervais is No.1 on Netflix with his show, and it's interesting that people are still kicking off over the "transphobia" even though I don't recall trans coming up in his latest show.

When he plays out god creating humans and describing it to his [gods] wife, he (as god) mentions there are "two sexes" and a very pointed "I dare you" look at the audience.

Although given the complete car crash that is the design of male testicles, I would have assumed they were down to Mrs. god .....

I find a lot of TN's humour is repeating something said by someone he thinks is Beyond the Pale, in a foolsh kind of voice, and then laughing as if he's made a joke.

I don't really care about people questioning what women say is an issue, or non-white people, if there is a reason to question it, frankly. There's room for discussion and observations. No one should be dismissive.

TN's problem is that he doesn't really put any of the ideas he is espousing to any kind of scrutiny, and that applies to many race issues too. It's all about the side.

So true and poignant. Imagine a database of films checked against an identikit list and Schindler's list being among many, many others of various genres and styles with similarly generated content notifications.

RG doesn't do any of that repeating someone who he finds ridiculous low rent garbage. He very excellently satirised the ridiculous comments about homelessness made by Suellen by merely telling his audience that he wishes there were no homeless people then grinning at them.

We aren't worthy of such cutting social commentary.

Absolutely agree, everything should be up for question and debate.

However, he wasn't questionning nor debating. He was stating that something a lot of women care about deeply - single sex spaces- isn't an issue, because he's never experienced not having them as a problem.

If he would like to outline an intellectual argument as to why it 'isn't an issue' I would be all ears (and prepared to debate him under the table).

Dismissing opinions that you don't like isn't 'questioning'.

I was really responding more to the thread, the idea that we shouldn't question what the oppressed class says about their oppressor.

There are a lot of reasons that causes problems, and I would say, even if you have truly identified an oppressed vs oppressor class. (And that is often not such a simple set of relations anyway.)

Comedy can challenge those things indirectly, and it doesn't always have to be formal. I think it's actually very difficlut to write really good comedy on these things, because it has to be done without it turning into a lecture or rant, and yet somehow the nuances have to be acknoledged for the comedy to work. Often it's very subtle how that's done, when you watch someone who does it well. It can be down to facial expressions, pauses, sometimes ironic statements or even playing up a "bad guy" kind of persona. Some people don't pick up on these elements even if well done, and it's easy to misjudge, which I think is why comics have to spend so much time in front of audiences refining their routines.

But I find I don't really want to give Noah the benefit of the doubt, and I suppose in the end it's because I think he is rather stupid, a shallow thinker. I once watched him give an explanation on his show about why the US government should pay out reparations to black Americans, and it was truly one of the most shallow, 4th grade examples of a thought process I've ever seen in an adult. He's the same about gender issues, illegal immigration and all the rest.

Ah, I misunderstood what you meant.

I think you make some really interesting points.