Transwomen regain right to play in female disc golf

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The governing body couldn't afford the litigation so they settled.

discgolf.ultiworld.com/2023/12/22/in-natalie-ryan-settlement-pdga-drops-pre-puberty-transition-rule-for-transgender-women/

It’s always about money at the end of the day. Who can afford what - nothing about physical differences between the sexes. Saying that, they do have a requirement about ‘gender affirming surgery’ having taken place. I guess it decreases the numbers eligible but I’m not sure how it impacts playing the game.

This is why the law needs updating to ban males from women's sport, so sporting bodies can't be coerced, threatened or bullied into including the men who pretend to be women.

FFS. It's one step forward. Two steps back.

Ryan wrote on Instagram. “All trans women will be equals at the elite level again. This is my victory. I had to be ruthless to get them to listen. I’m glad I can put that side of myself away. Now, I am hopeful that our sport can start fresh and grow to be a place that truly welcomes and celebrates everyone.

So basically - Natalie doesn’t give a shit about women who have worked hard to excel at golf, it’s all about validation and what Natalie wants and FU to those pesky women who don’t like it.

Yet more make ‘it’s all about me’ entitlement

How do we help fund litigation from female competitors? Surely that won’t be any cheaper for DiscGolf to defend?

It's not going away though. And while men are being 'ruthless' about what they want to do to women and with women, women are starting to get really, really pissed off. And sporting bodies are mostly now heading towards the 'actual women only' category.

Yes it's going to wander back and forth over the line for a while, but basically men in women's sports is fucked as a concept. This is just the thrashing about now.

Apparently referring to Ryan’s sex is against talk guidelines.

So I’ll modify what I said before… the only way this situation will change now is for the female competitors to refuse to compete with Ryan.

They shouldn’t have to, but two years of slightly reduced testosterone levels will have made no difference at all to the physical advantages Ryan gained by going through male puberty.

Ryan's sex is the salient fact.

That Ryan would prefer women not to mention it is unfair in the extreme because it prevents women pointing out the issue - that it is wrong and unfair for a man to expect to compete in the women's competition because he wishes the illusion of being a different sex to take precedence over everything else.

Well, I've just learned more than i ever thought I needed to know about disc golf.

It's a throwing sport. Height, larger hand size and fast twitch muscle are factors. And who knew, it's so popular that the top players can turn professional and earn a living from it. There's about 70,000 players in the male divisions in the US and about 5,000 in the women's divisions. Natalie Ryan has already won two women's tournaments. Kelly Jenkin was also a 'pioneer' of being male in women's disc golf.

Great, isn't it, that Ryan loves their sport so much that they will sue the fuck out of the governing body to keep winning money aimed at the very few women players.

So Ryan used all of Ryan's masculinity and general male socialisation to get Ryan's way and screw over the women? Surprise surprise

Terrible result for women competitors, but useful in the wider gender war in the US. It is sad to see, but nothing turns people against gender stuff more than messing around with sports.

If they are winning they can fund litigation. Whilst the woman can't compete so cant win the money and can't afford litigation.

Welcome to the US justice system where all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

And those of you who are women or can't afford a lawyer are less equal and don't have those unalienable rights....

Women need to stop competing against transwomen. Turn up to the event and just before event starts, quit.
I have no issue with anyone wanting to be who they are but sport is split on sex not gender. Maybe sport needs to rename women's events to female events.

Fuck. Can't blame the sporting body, they are probably tiny and might even be volunteer run. We definitely need laws. It isn't fair that third rate TW scoop first rate women's sporting awards.

Men then just identify as female.

Proving that the issue is going along with the identifying as, without clear boundaries as to where other people's rights start.

@Froodwithatowel Males cannot identify as female.
From my understanding woman is the gender that anyone can refer to.
Sex is what you are biologically. You cannot change biology. You can change some of your physical features surgically and some medically but the minute you stop taking medicine your body will revert back to its true state.
Male or female.
Which is why some claim that men can get pregnant. Transmen can get pregnant because they are female and identify as men. No males have ever become pregnant.

That’s a somewhat rational take, Bravest, if transsexual males argued that woman is a gender and female is a sex and thus male-women and female-women existed I would think it’s a bit daft but as long as female single sex spaces, sports and services were ringfenced for female-women and female-men (transmen) it wouldn’t affect mine or anyone’s lives much.

But male-women are all over female sports, incarcerated in female prisons and identifying as CEO of gynaecological support charities, and men who identify as women have F markers on their ID.

So the slightly more rational position is a motte and bailey fallacy (gender= woman/man sex=female/male thus being a male-woman is possible) because no, male transsexuals will not accept they are not female and will not stay out of female spaces, sports and services. Hence this thread.

And @OnlyTheBravest‘s post, „Men cannot identify as female“, shows just how appalling the recent behaviour by the BBC & one of our largest police forces is.

Bravest, I’m afraid that our unbiased national broadcaster & a good proportion of law enforcement, including Greater Manchester Police, openly support a movement that would literally prevent you even from voicing a wish or argument for female-only sport.

Because both support reporting men as female & recording their crimes as female, purely on men‘s say-so. The word „female“ is no longer definitively ours.

We don’t have a word left that is uniquely, securely our own, to unambiguously express our needs.

Orwell himself wouldn’t have seen that one coming. The silencing Newspeak is designed to enable seems mild in comparison.

While you do understand reality brave, you are not up to date. Male people most certainly DO identify as female. Why, only today I saw Mulvaney celebrating being female on their passport. One of the major influencers of the OIC did indeed tell the OIC that society saw them as ‘female’
so it was absolutely cruel that sports did not treat them as female. Not women. Female.

The influencer Wallace and others, also declare they are female not male.

So, while I agree that male people can never be female, it is sadly untrue that some male people have not declared that they are so. And been affirmed by organisations that should know better.

@Helleofabore That is exactly why sportwomen should stop competing against males who participate in female sports. Transwomen do it because they can, they do not give a shining shite if they hurt other females in the process. No we really should not have to do it in the first place but what else can females do.

I am generally against "well women should stop competing then" because - fuck that. They have often trained for years, in some cases scholarships depend on results etc etc.

But in a case where there are no funds to fight? yeah the women should form their own breakaway organisation and not allow men to compete as women, and/or stop playing at all. Same with Parkrun which insists it's not a competition yet persists in putting up "best times" where trans women are counted as women and are hoovering up all the best times.

Incredibly sad for women in this sport right now, however, I believe it'll be sport and kids that peak the mainstream. Especially sport, because men care about sport (even women's sport) so men will continue to speak out (some male athletes already have).

Lia Thomas towering over Riley Thomas on the podium was a gift.

Brefugee · Yesterday 20:18

I am generally against "well women should stop competing then" because - fuck that. They have often trained for years, in some cases scholarships depend on results etc etc.

It's bloody awful and it shouldn't even have to be considered, but look at the British Beach Angler women, they got things changed, even though they lost out, because of their own sacrifice.

I always ask people who say this "have you ever played a seriously competitive sport that required a lot of time"?

I did admire the fishing team, but was really angry it had to go that far.

Because i did as a teenager and if this had happened then i wouldn't have withdrawn. I would have been competing in suffragette themed outfits, I wouldn't have been having happy smiling photos as i took 2nd or 3rd place and i wouldn't have been quiet about it. Full in the knowledge that my sport may have prevented me from taking part - and i would have been very loud about it.

(as it was i went to an all girls school and it's a bit of a niche sport so all our opponents were from boys schools. As a team we never won. As individuals we occasionally won against their weaker or less experienced players. If we ever played other girls school teams we generally did well unless they were relatively local and also mostly played against boys. For sure it made us a) better and b) more determined to win)

But also I'm a 2nd wave feminist and the idea of gender and gender stereotypes makes me very very feisty.