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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Police interviewing Jolyon Maugham

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fromorbit · 22/12/2023 10:31

It seems the Rozzers may be too busy dealing with the fox killer to come after Mumsnet now.

Police question barrister Jolyon Maugham for tweeting that Brianna Ghey's killers 'exchanged transphobic slurs' while murder trial was still going on
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12893145/police-barrister-jolyon-maugham-brianna-ghey-tweet-killers-transphobic-slurs-trial.html

Police question barrister Jolyon Maugham over Brianna Ghey trial tweet

Maugham, founder of the Good Law Project and a staunch supporter of trans rights, was castigated by a judge who said the comment was potentially in contempt of court.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12893145/police-barrister-jolyon-maugham-brianna-ghey-tweet-killers-transphobic-slurs-trial.html

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Floisme · 22/12/2023 14:31

PronounssheRa · 22/12/2023 12:58

I have not been questioned by the police, I was asked questions by the police at the behest of a high court judge.

That isn't quite the correction Jolyon thinks it is. He really does love his technicalities though.

To be fair, I imagine this is exactly the kind of thinking one would look for in a tax lawyer.

RoyalWhoDidYouSayNooneOfthatNameHereOfficer · 22/12/2023 14:50

"No exaggeration to say its hands are dipped in blood."

I would say this is practically the dictionary definition of exaggeration.

I've long suspected our fox-killing friend is deranged, and this has more or less confirmed it.

WickDittington · 22/12/2023 14:54

Thanks for that @PronounssheRa and others who’ve added details - I’m not using Twitter atm.

Of course a KC should be disciplined for this.

I suppose I just find the weaponisation of a young person’s death to be really depressing but I also can’t crow over Maugham being disciplined. He shouldn’t have behaved so badly in the first place.

Sorry, I think I’m just sick of the gender ideologies. Been in the trenches with this stuff for the last 6 years and just want it to stop. As we all do.

MargotBamborough · 22/12/2023 14:58

WickDittington · 22/12/2023 13:26

I hate the way the police have been overtly politicised. Maugham should have known better, as a trained barrister( or is he a solicitor?) but I can’t crow over this.

it’s awful when the police are used as a TRA weapon against women; but this policing of TRA’s opinion is just as bad in the way that it concretises and embeds the political use of the police.

The arrest of Louise Distra was awful. It felt like a police state. But the police should not be used by either side.

And for the avoidance of all doubt I do not think that there is a “both sides are as bad” argument here. We are fighting desperately for our sex-based rights which men like Maugham are trying to undermine. But neither do I want to live in a state where the police are called to arrest anyone for wrongthink.

I'm not sure that's what has happened here though, is it?

This isn't a gender critical organisation reporting Jolyon to the police. This is the judge in an ongoing court case sending the police to question him in connection with potential contempt of court.

jcakey · 22/12/2023 15:15

The dipped in blood comment is horrendous. It is just so irresponsible to speculate on suicide in that way. Where has he got those stats from and why is it possible to collate trans-specific victim of crime and suicide stats but, in so many other areas (such as when recording perpetrators of crime) this data is merged into statistics relating to women and men?

hallouminatus · 22/12/2023 15:22

A lot of responses on X asking in what sense the headline is 'flatly untrue' or even misleading. Plenty of responses agreeing with Maugham that it's untrue, but nobody explains how. I can't see how the headline could be interpreted to imply anything other than what Maugham himself admits happened. Can anyone enlighten me?

IcakethereforeIamInnocent · 22/12/2023 15:36

Yes, he wasn't questioned by the Police but, he was questioned by the Police is what he's saying. Seems perfectly clear to me Xmas Confused

BeBraveLittlePenguin · 22/12/2023 15:42

I think, if you squint, you can discern a difference between, they came to question me, rather than they dropped round as the Judge's own personal Deliveroo to pass on some comments.
Maybe there is a point of principle for him that he immediately rolled over, rather than arguing back?
He's no longer practising though, I believe.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/12/2023 15:51

It's a very defensive comment from a privileged and wealthy man with considerable legal knowledge who should understand basic judicial laws about contempt of court. His original comments were indefensible and one would have hoped that he'd been interviewed under caution for such an appalling set of tweets.

It could be argued that the lack of any sanction is a worrying sign of privileged treatment on the basis of sex, class and occupation :

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12893145/police-barrister-jolyon-maugham-brianna-ghey-tweet-killers-transphobic-slurs-trial.html

Police question barrister Jolyon Maugham over Brianna Ghey trial tweet

Maugham, founder of the Good Law Project and a staunch supporter of trans rights, was castigated by a judge who said the comment was potentially in contempt of court.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12893145/police-barrister-jolyon-maugham-brianna-ghey-tweet-killers-transphobic-slurs-trial.html

OwlWeiwei · 22/12/2023 15:54

Hicc · 22/12/2023 12:38

I wonder if the rise in TRActivism and awareness of the clash with the women's rights and harms to children, have led to more media coverage? Not a rise in hatred.

Perhaps the hysteria about the fragility of trans people by certain organisations has also made them feel more vulnerable?

And when can women report misogyny as a hate crime? Except we wouldn't because we are often desensitised to it, or simply don't have the time to be making reports every month.

It was ruled not long ago that misogyny is not a hate crime. In a baffling logic, here's the conclusion:

The Law Commission concluded in its ‘Hate Crime Laws: Final Report (PDF, 3.2MB)’ (published 7 December 2021) that making misogyny a hate crime may be: “more harmful than helpful, both to victims of violence against women and girls, and also to efforts to tackle hate crime more broadly” and that “…we have reached the view that hate crime recognition would not be an effective solution to the very real problem of violence, abuse and harassment of women and girls in England and Wales, and may in fact be counterproductive in some respects.”

mach2 · 23/12/2023 14:26

I'd remove this "hate crime" stuff that has worked it's way into the law and into police practice altogether. Especially the "non-crime hate incident" stuff.

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