Gender GP podcast - poor, poor kid

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Saw a link to this on Twitter. It's from two years ago, which almost certainly means the poor kid featured is now well established on puberty blockers at the age of 12 or 13. It's about 55 minutes long. Features Dr Helen Webberley, Marianne Oakes, Head of Therapies at Gender GP, and a mother called Lindsay who has a child called Danny. She explains how Danny transitioned at the age of 5. Danny was 10 at the time of the podcast.

Danny is female and Lindsay is keen to get her child onto hormone blockers asap. It's like listening to a mirror version of Susie Green from 20 years earlier. Lindsay explains at length how delighted she was to have a daughter. She bought her child girly clothes, insisted on the child having long hair, tipped off Danny's dad that it looked as if their child would be a lesbian when she was older because she liked boys' games and toys and hated the pretty clothes, etc etc. Not surprisingly, Danny became very upset and angry with the world and at the age of 5 told her Mum that she wasn't a girl, she was a boy.

Now, to most of us, it would be obvious that a child of 5 struggling to make sense of the world has jumped to an erroneous conclusion here. Told repeatedly that all the things she likes are for boys and all the things she hates are for girls, she sees an obvious solution - I'm a boy! What is so desperately sad is that Lindsay thinks Danny is right and when she talks to the SEND co-ordinator at Danny's school she's referred to the Tavistock.

To be fair to the Tavistock, it sounds as Lindsay jumped the gun at this point and socially transitioned Danny immediately, and in the teeth of objections from Danny's dad, who wanted to take things slowly. (They are now divorced.) When they were eventually seen at the Tavistock, after a long wait, caution was advised but it was far too late. Lindsay has 'done the research' and feels she knows far more about what's happening to her child than anyone she sees at the Tavistock. If Lindsay has a background in science and/or health care, she doesn't mention it. Accordingly, I'm amazed that she feels able to say she has fully understood the medical implications of her child transitioning.

Now she's with Gender GP because she can't get puberty blockers through the Tavistock. She's cross because her GP won't administer them because of Dr Webberly being struck off. Imagine the gall of a GP refusing to work with a struck off doctor!

Danny has ADHD and has been through a family break up. Another couple of markers often seen in cases like this.

I will just add that Marianne's contributions are very useful, not least because of Marianne's voice. Marianne is the one on the left below.

UK census results indicate an increase in the numbers of people who say are not straightforwardly straight, ie. Are LGB, up from about 1% Lesbian and 1% female bisexual in previous census records to about 3% in 2021.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/sexuality/bulletins/sexualorientationenglandandwales/census2021

About 10% of prepubescent girls have routinely been reported by their parents to be “gender non-conforming” (apologies that I cannot find primary references at the moment)

”Although estimates of GNB are variable, 4% of boys and 10% of girls in the United States were described by their parents as behaving “like the opposite sex” (Achenbach, 1991).”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6860907/#R1

There are plenty of theories that could be advanced for the difference in parental reports wrt sons and daughters and for the eventual outcomes in terms of adult sexuality compared to parental reports.

One theory is that gender-nonconformity in young girls (“tom boys”) is tolerated far more than gender-nonconformity in young boys (“sissies”) precisely because it is common knowledge that most “tom boys” become heterosexual women whereas a higher proportion of “sissies” become gay men - relevant factor: homophobia.

Whatever the reason, it would appear that the vast majority of gender non-conforming girls grow up to describe themselves as heterosexual women rather than as lesbians or bisexual.

Most research focuses on males as the “default human”, so perhaps data about gender-nonconforming boys and homosexual men has been assumed to apply equally to girls and women when there is in fact a big difference between the sexes?

inkjet · 20/12/2023 16:23

I remember Owen Jones saying something like the LGB Alliance conference attendees weren’t really queer, because he saw a picture and they just looked like standard middle-aged people.

Oh crikey, that prinking ninny hasn't been in my thoughts for weeks; thanks!

I have had another thought on the stats re GNC girls and straight vs lesbian women.

I wonder if the misapprehension that most GNC girls grow up to be lesbians is because most lesbians report that they were GNC girls?

Horrible extreme extrapolation follows:

IF
10% girls are GNC

and historically 1% of girls grew up to be lesbians

and 100% of lesbians were GNC girls when they were children

and 100% of GNC girls are sterilised by being put on puberty blockers and testosterone

and puberty blockers + testosterone changes the sexuality of lesbians so that they become attracted to the opposite sex, as some female detransitioners have reported

THEN
the 10% of girls who are GNC would be sterilised

therefore 100% lesbians would be eradicated, being transformed into sterilised females who believe that they are men with at least some of them being “converted” into being opposite-sex attracted (ie. “Gender affirming care” = “lesbian conversion practice”)

and 90% of GNC girls who would have been straight would be also be sterilised, equal to about 9% of adult human females

therefore approx 10% of women would be sterilised as children

about 10% of them (1% of all women) would have grown up to be lesbians

perhaps an even higher percentage would be on the autistic spectrum and/or have learning difficulties

as most of the women sterilised as children by being given puberty blockers then testosterone would have been straight and would have had at least one child, there might be an overall and incremental reduction in the general population

including a reduction in genetically transmitted instances of autism, learning difficulties and neurodiversity, (ie. “Gender Affirming Care” = Eugenics)

Of course, Marianne is completely unbiased and impartial about the desirability of transing a 5 year old.

I'm sure they do, but not invariably, and from my understanding very few girls/young women are completely sure about their sexuality until well into puberty, or even beyond.

Stella O'Malley and Sasha Ayad talk about this in one of their podcasts @Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g - about how masculine/male sexuality can be quite frightening for young girls. Sasha Ayad talks about saying she was adamant she was same-sex attracted in early adolescence, because boys' sexuality was so scary. I think there are many girls who may think like this (I know I felt this way until I was about 19); sex with boys/men has such consequences which can seem huge and scary.

I’m in a TRA FB group. I never post, just read (but not too often for the sake of my blood pressure). Someone recently posted to say their young son likes wearing dresses and has said he doesn’t want to grow up to be a man. They wanted to know whether they should tell their son that puberty blockers exist and he might want to try them.

Several of the replies encouraged the OP to let her son know that he can have puberty blockers because they wish they had had that option available to them. Upon looking at the profile pictures of these people, I discovered that every single one of them was an adult man (mostly middle aged) wearing make up and a wig etc. All of these men had the appearance of someone visiting Malaga airport. I found it extremely sinister.

(Refreshingly, there were at least some more measured replies suggesting the OP not ‘lead’ her child into such a decision, and these posts tended to come from younger transmen.)

Upon looking at the profile pictures of these people, I discovered that every single one of them was an adult man (mostly middle aged) wearing make up and a wig etc. All of these men had the appearance of someone visiting Malaga airport. I found it extremely sinister.

And then there's this ...

https://twitter.com/RoisinMichaux/status/1742476225010967013

Discusting.
Years ago this would be called child abuse. Perverts living their fantasy with children

@WickDittington Urgh.

‘Two old men talking about castrating children’

Respect to the Tweeter for saying it like it is.

Much as I dislike Elon Musk, it's great that these discussions are now possible on Twitter.

The eejits don't even know what the puberty blockers block in females - the one on the left says 'you need to block the testosterone, or the, the...' and the other one says 'or whatever'!