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Taxpayer-funded children's show with 'trans voices' branded tasteless

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IwantToRetire · 17/12/2023 00:31

Scheduled shows at the Southbank include queer cabaret and 'tour around the human body' with trans, non-binary doctor

Upcoming events at the London arts centre will also include a show titled “The Faggots and Their Friends Between Revolutions”, an “unforgettable celebration of queer activism”, and another about dancer who wants to translate their moves into “renewable energy”, according to dance company Marlborough Productions.

The Centre, which receives £16,828,042 in annual funding from Arts Council England, will play host to “Pxssy Liquor’s Office Christmas Party”, “a cabaret collective for queer gals and nb [non-binary] pals” that provides an “antidote to the male-gaze saturated cabaret scene”.

As part of its “Imagine Children’s Festival” in 2024, the Centre has an event taking place called “Little Big Sing with Trans Voices”, marketed for 5+.

The organisers said: “After witnessing the growing <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/11Y4B/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/21/trans-prejudice-doubles-three-years-jk-rowling-cancel/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">anti-trans rhetoric specifically aimed at children, both artists felt an urgent need to effect change and create a provision for mental wellness.”

Other events include “a tour around the human body with trans non-binary emergency doctor Dr Ronx”, an “inspiring, interactive writing session for children, with social justice at its heart” and an author discussing his debut novel, Pity, “a lament for a lost way of life”, about two brothers from a mining town, one with a “side hustle in sex work” and “weekly drag gigs”.

Full article https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/16/southbank-hosts-childrens-show-with-trans-voices/

Can also be read here https://archive.ph/11Y4B

Taxpayer-funded children's show with 'trans voices' branded tasteless

Scheduled shows include queer cabaret and 'tour around the human body' with trans, non-binary doctor

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/16/southbank-hosts-childrens-show-with-trans-voices

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Boiledbeetle · 17/12/2023 00:57

Commenting on the Southbank Centre events, author Lionel Shriver, said: “Maybe we should all be grateful when the ‘progressive’ left highlights its own absurdity, embarrasses itself with its own clichés, and so loudly advertises its obliviousness to what kind of entertainment is suitable for small children.

“As a commentator, I should be professionally thankful when people I would otherwise be obliged to mock do my work for me. But I do worry if these tasteless displays of vacuousness and desperation for attention are publicly financed. Let them humiliate themselves on their own dime.”

Lionel says it much better than I could. She obviously isn't impressed!

TempestTost · 17/12/2023 02:04

It's just so lame.

I wonder about all the people who have something worthwhile to say artistically. Either something new, or just well crafted ideas, or excellent workmanship.

But don't get funding because they are not on trend.

FrancescaContini · 17/12/2023 02:14

I’d pay £16 million to keep these Pxssy freaks peddling their sexist/sexualised shite a million miles away from my children.

PermanentTemporary · 17/12/2023 06:49

Some of that sounds great, some not. I'd agree it sounds more focused on adults looking back than on children, but I like the sound of the interactive writing session.

£16m is presumably the total Southbank budget, right? I wonder how much income it generates, including foreign exchange? I'd guess a metric fuckton of cash, unlike say the Telegraph.

PlanetJanette · 17/12/2023 07:42

FrancescaContini · 17/12/2023 02:14

I’d pay £16 million to keep these Pxssy freaks peddling their sexist/sexualised shite a million miles away from my children.

Of course this is precisely why the Telegraph presented the article as it did - to get gullible (or bad faith) folk to assume that the headline reference to a kids show was relevant to all of the shows mentioned.

Lets be clear on this - the OPs excerpt mentions two events aimed at kids:

A music and singing workshop with a choir called ‘Trans Voices’; and a show by an emergency medicine doctor about the human body.

There is no claim that the actual content of either of these events is unsuitable for children. Literally the only objection is that the choir is made up of trans people, and the doctor is non-binary.

PermanentTemporary · 17/12/2023 07:56

Lionel Shriver seems to be becoming a rent a quote for the Torygraph. Hope she gets paid at least.

The Southbank earns well over twice that grant back (used to be 3x before covid) as well as providing over 350 jobs, alongside all the other businesses in the area that benefit. They should experiment, that's what they're for. I don't love what I've seen of Dr Ronx but they are a talented presenter.

OldCrone · 17/12/2023 08:11

I don't love what I've seen of Dr Ronx but they are a talented presenter.

I don't think someone so obsessed by gender stereotypes should be in a position where they can influence children.

FrancescaContini · 17/12/2023 08:23

OldCrone · 17/12/2023 08:11

I don't love what I've seen of Dr Ronx but they are a talented presenter.

I don't think someone so obsessed by gender stereotypes should be in a position where they can influence children.

Couldn’t agree more. And I don’t understand what “trans non-binary” means and why it’s relevant to the person’s performance for children - unless he or she is planning to thoroughly confuse five year olds.

PlanetJanette · 17/12/2023 08:27

OldCrone · 17/12/2023 08:11

I don't love what I've seen of Dr Ronx but they are a talented presenter.

I don't think someone so obsessed by gender stereotypes should be in a position where they can influence children.

Where is the obsession? I had a look at the South Bank Centre website and didn’t see a single reference to their gender identity. It sounds like the obsession is entirely with those who want to invent reasons to be outraged.

Or do you just think any trans or non-binary person should not be allowed to perform or present in front of children?

AlisonDonut · 17/12/2023 08:31

PlanetJanette · 17/12/2023 08:27

Where is the obsession? I had a look at the South Bank Centre website and didn’t see a single reference to their gender identity. It sounds like the obsession is entirely with those who want to invent reasons to be outraged.

Or do you just think any trans or non-binary person should not be allowed to perform or present in front of children?

Dr Ronx is a trans non binary emergency medicine doctor. [Google is your friend].

A medical person who pretends not to know whether they are male or female, should not be teaching this nonsense to kids.

MadeOfAllWork · 17/12/2023 08:38

I don’t want to be insulting but I genuinely do not understand how you can be trans and non binary.

To be trans you started life as one sex and have transitioned to the other.
To be non binary you don’t feel you fit into either sexes so live your life in between.
How can you be both? And if the answer is that some days you feel more like the opposite sex to your birth sex and on those days are trans - well isn’t that all non binary people?

PatatiPatatras · 17/12/2023 08:43

Hello, I'm Dr. Patatras, a fertile Catholic heterosexual female of childbearing age. And I'm here to objectively talk about the human body.
All references to clownfish and temples are my own.

Yup, sounds ridiculous.

And no, women do not have comprehension issues around sums given to whole organisations.

OldCrone · 17/12/2023 08:55

To be trans you started life as one sex and have transitioned to the other.
To be non binary you don’t feel you fit into either sexes so live your life in between.

Not exactly.

To be trans you want to pretend to be the opposite sex.

To be non binary you want to pretend that you don't have a sex.

But I agree that you can't simultaneously pretend not to have a sex and to be the opposite sex.

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SaffronSpice · 17/12/2023 09:03

PermanentTemporary · 17/12/2023 07:56

Lionel Shriver seems to be becoming a rent a quote for the Torygraph. Hope she gets paid at least.

The Southbank earns well over twice that grant back (used to be 3x before covid) as well as providing over 350 jobs, alongside all the other businesses in the area that benefit. They should experiment, that's what they're for. I don't love what I've seen of Dr Ronx but they are a talented presenter.

If it is making a profit of over £32 million then why does it need any grant?

OldCrone · 17/12/2023 09:04

PlanetJanette · 17/12/2023 08:27

Where is the obsession? I had a look at the South Bank Centre website and didn’t see a single reference to their gender identity. It sounds like the obsession is entirely with those who want to invent reasons to be outraged.

Or do you just think any trans or non-binary person should not be allowed to perform or present in front of children?

This is what I mean.

I don't want to be a man, but I appreciate masculine/masc attributes, so the term trans non-binary fits. Sometimes I have to take a moment to think about what that means to help people understand - to me, it makes perfect sense - but when you try to explain it to people, it can be hard for people to understand. I'm trans because my gender doesn't match what I was assigned at birth, but I also have no gender, so I'm non-binary. I'm trans non-binary.

https://www.suvera.org.uk/team-blog/dr-ronx

Also this.

Working in healthcare, I was fortunate because people called me "Doctor", so I wasn't really ever gendered at work. Still, when I was, it didn't sit comfortably with me. When I say gendered, I mean people calling me both she/her or he/him - neither of them sat well with me. I never really understood why, but I knew I had a visceral repulsion to those words being my pronouns.

I think someone who had a "visceral repulsion" to people noticing their sex needed therapy, not to be put on TV where they can 'take their whole self to work' and influence children with their unhealthy obsession about gender and stereotyping.

OldCrone · 17/12/2023 09:09

FrancescaContini · 17/12/2023 08:23

Couldn’t agree more. And I don’t understand what “trans non-binary” means and why it’s relevant to the person’s performance for children - unless he or she is planning to thoroughly confuse five year olds.

I think that is precisely the point. Confuse children about gender and get them on the trans train. More validation for adults. This person self describes as an activist, so this aim isn't even hidden.

Gender activists should be nowhere near children.

FrancescaContini · 17/12/2023 09:28

@OldCrone ”Sometimes I have to take a minute to understand what that means to help people understand…” says the “doctor” 🤷‍♀️ I could take the rest of my life trying to understand what the doctor means and I still wouldn’t get it precisely because it has no meaning. This is why I would keep small children away.

FreebieWallopFridge · 17/12/2023 09:34

MadeOfAllWork · 17/12/2023 08:38

I don’t want to be insulting but I genuinely do not understand how you can be trans and non binary.

To be trans you started life as one sex and have transitioned to the other.
To be non binary you don’t feel you fit into either sexes so live your life in between.
How can you be both? And if the answer is that some days you feel more like the opposite sex to your birth sex and on those days are trans - well isn’t that all non binary people?

I don’t understand that either

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/12/2023 09:41

Is there any mention of the workshops around / aimed at disability? Older people? Race? Religion?
Or is it that (as usual) there's a particular focus on targeting children as a group out of all the other possible protected characteristics ? If so, why is this?

Ofcourseshecan · 17/12/2023 09:47

OldCrone · 17/12/2023 08:11

I don't love what I've seen of Dr Ronx but they are a talented presenter.

I don't think someone so obsessed by gender stereotypes should be in a position where they can influence children.

This is exactly the point!

ArthurbellaScott · 17/12/2023 11:47

TempestTost · 17/12/2023 02:04

It's just so lame.

I wonder about all the people who have something worthwhile to say artistically. Either something new, or just well crafted ideas, or excellent workmanship.

But don't get funding because they are not on trend.

Yeah. This is part of the reason the arts are producing such weak pish at the moment.

PlanetJanette · 17/12/2023 12:13

So someone identifying as non-binary and not actually even referencing it in the context of a performance is ‘obsesssion’.

Thanks for confirming that you just don’t think anyone who is non-binary should be presenting to kids irrespective of whether they mention their gender identity or not.

Woman2023 · 17/12/2023 12:21

Someone can identify as non-binary, they can have a belief in gender identity, but can they actually be non-binary? What is it that makes someone non-binary such that they are not the same as any other person who just lives without such an ideological belief?

SaffronSpice · 17/12/2023 12:22

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/12/2023 09:41

Is there any mention of the workshops around / aimed at disability? Older people? Race? Religion?
Or is it that (as usual) there's a particular focus on targeting children as a group out of all the other possible protected characteristics ? If so, why is this?

Remember the Arts Council lost an employment tribunal because their turned out to be bullying, misogynistic, homophobic bigots who couldn’t tolerate anyone with different beliefs and were determined to remove grants from those that didn’t promote gender ideology.