Just a rant

[DinoDays]

Not expecting much from this thread, just need a fucking good rant!!!!

I'm on a FB of a popular 70's girl magazine. It's trivial shit but it's lovely to remember some of our teenage worries and loves.

I never post but love looking at some of the memories.

Anyway ... "Autumn" posted to introduce themselves.

Not a "thing" in this group unless it's a picture of you in a hideous 70's bridesmaid dress.

Anyway over 400 stunning and brave comments from the "Be Kind" Brigade.

Apparently this person used to read their relative's magazine when they were younger (yeah sure you did)!!

Galvanised from all the supportive comments from their first post, they've now posted again saying how overwhelmed they are by the kindness and feel like a "Sister that has come home"!

I feel like shouting to the handmaidens "Don't you know the monster you've now unleashed"

The poster will now feel validated and I imagine will now have no problem about wandering into women's toilets and changing areas. You know? Because literally 100's of women have told them how "stunning and brave" they are.

Maybe they can take up fishing now or croquet and steal trophies off women!

I wish I could talk to these women and explain it's not "being kind" doing this especially to their daughters. Then I start thinking is it me? Am I on the wrong side of history!???

Sorry for rant. Feel better now!

I understand the frustration. But its maybe more helpful to consider the reason why women want to virtue signal and dick pander. In some situations this is an adaptive and sometimes even very logical strategy. Women learn very thoroughly ways to protect themselves, to the point it becomes second nature.

I'm 100% sure this is the case. Plenty of people find gender stereotypes reassuring. Trans people breaking the rules makes them uncomfortable, and some of them will lash out. The world is full of people whose reaction to anyone acting outside the "rules" is self righteous agression and bullying - the people who subconsciously desparately police "normal" and punish transgression.

In a world where people can encounter insults and violence for being a Goth, or wearing the wrong football shirt in the wrong pub, or coming from the wrong part of the country, or being visibly physically or mentally disabled, it would be
odd if trans people weren't facing the same type of agression.

And this is before the "pervert" element is added. Yes, some TW are undoubtedly motivated by a fetish. And some men are attracted to a trans gender lifestyle because the TRA movement has unwittingly created a subculture that pulls in vulnerable people and paints sex as an act of empowerment and validation - a toxic combination, and a predator's playground. But people whose knee jerk reaction to men dressing like women is "pervert" aren't basing that on any critical evaluation, they are just playing out old fashioned prejudices.

And to trans people and TRAs, especially the younger ones whose knowledge of the world and of people comes not from living in it and learning from years of expereince but from what others have told them about how the world is, they don't see any distinction between GC rejection of gender as a whole, whether expressed by trans people or so-called-cis, and the knee jerk policing of gender.

Honestly though, seeking validation is one of the less awful behaviours I've witnessed lately from males who think it appropriate to take up a lot of space in predominantly female spaces. How about "innocently" dropping references to their genitals in any conversation? Or taking over the aims and objectives of the entire group and using it to further trans ideology whilst appropriating feminism; bullying and silencing any dissent? When women seem unable to read these behaviours as abusive I am very worried indeed.

Yes.

The 'innocent' bit is such a frequent flyer, and women are so quick to excuse and think twice and be generous/believe good intent, especially if not doing so may make a male sad or affronted. They have been raised to dick pander.

But I'm reminded of an article of complaint by a man who identified as a woman, that in lesbian bars the women who once would have ignored him were now lovely to him. They'd listen attentively, they'd sit with him, they'd go out of their way to be very nice to him. The article is about his frustration with these women, he does not understand them. A reader with an objective view can see that the women thought of this as kindness and supportiveness of a vulnerable person: his perception of all this was that it was foreplay. Hence a lot of anger and failure to understand when these women would not take the next step he wanted of getting their knickers off and presenting themselves for sex with him. He saw this as cock teasing.

I'm in that group. A pink Christmas jumper is hardly making him look like a woman. It's not a womens oniy group, its for fans of a 70s girls magazine. Absolutely no need for him to make an entire post with a photo and a 'here's little old me' post. Its a very large group. Anyone male or female with an interest in the 1970s, social history, publishing etc could join but obviously S just had to announce themselves and get attention 🙄

What is being mean though? Saying people can't change sex and that I don't want men in dresses in women's spaces? Biological facts and safeguarding women and children is not bullying.

I think the suggestion GI believers see GC people as the perpetrators of ‘mean things’ is very perceptive. Of course GC people do say stuff that some trans people think is mean, such as pointing out that it’s not possible to change sex. I’ve never seen any GC argument accompanied by threats of physical violence, or even aggressive name-calling, but I do hear TRA’s complaining that GC people do this.

I’d just dismissed it as TRA’s lashing out because they have no logical argument, but maybe there is an element of mistaken identity too. I think many trans people fail to recognise how GC thinking embraces non-conformity with sex-based stereotypes.

Obviously, an adherence to #nodebate doesn’t really help them!

No, those things are not mean (though of course can be delivered in a mean way). I was replying in the context of a sub thread about whether trans women are really receiving actual abuse and mean comments, or just claiming it happens for sympathy.

I 100% accept it does happen, indeed have seen it. Genuine transphobia, the fear and abuse of gender non conforming people by those who cannot accept anything outside a narrow set of "normal", absolutely is real (and also undoubtably has the same roots as homophobia).

TRAs are wrong to accuse gender critical feminists of being the same people with the same motivations and as those who are genuinely transphobic, and obviously (should not even need to be said, but saying it anyway to avoid any misrepresentation) wrong in accusing GC feminists or perpetrating actual verbal or physical threats and abuse. But GC people are wrong if they claim this genuine transphobia isn't also happening.

👋 @IdealHomeExhibition

Did you like my subtle name change of the poster? ;)

I lived near where the magazine was published and a lot of my mates were "models" in the photos stories. I never managed to make the cut though! Hahah

Blah blah blah let men with willies into ladies changing room blah blah 'female penis'

Such a shame. If only you'd had a time machine to jump to 2023 when a man in can identify as teenage girl and if you dare say that's a bit noncey you're a bigot.

Im hoping the replies have 10 readers each who can't say they don't like men saying they're women but will be voting accordingly

If you think I am advocating for men in women's spaces in any way I suggest you re-read my post properly.