Why can’t people accept that some transwomen are just conmen? Telegraph article

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https://uk.yahoo.com/news/why-t-people-accept-trans-070000515.html

Suzanne Moore column which mentions Melissa Poulton.

If you're working in a school (which is the post I was referring to) then there may well be over a hundred adults working there. You can't have each adult "challenging" a child from their own perspective.
Unthinkingly socially transitioning children in schools is wrong - it shouldn't be happening and we must find better ways to support mentally vulnerable children than immediate affirmation. Yes schools must reinforce single sex changing rooms, sports, safeguarding etc and that's going to be difficult enough given the lies they've been told by transactivists.
But allowing them to be at the centre of a maelstrom of differing adult views isn't the way to do it imho.

Are "genuine trans people" men who pretend to be women, but for a good reason?

Sorry- I can't think of a good reason.

But allowing them to be at the centre of a maelstrom of differing adult views isn't the way to do it imho.

Being at the centre of a maelstrom of differing adult views is partly what will have led them into this ideology in the first place.

More confusion is not helpful. Though perhaps even one steady, calm, rational adult in their life would be helpful within this maelstrom.

Yes yes but no teacher is going to start challenging a child after slt have changed the name on the register. It would be inappropriate to just start having that conversation. Any teachers who ever encouraged a kid to transition should be sacked, there is no time when these conversations are had. But referrals are made and counsellors/ parents affirm, the school does what they are told. They are not in the business of challenging identity. The most we do is enforcement of uniform which is basically gender neutral. Noone is telling a boy off for wearing a skirt in sixth form, how would you do that? U less it was overly sexual in which case same as we do the girls. And tbh that would have to be stockings or something. I teach. I do pastoral care. But I'm not into brainwashing or telling them what to think. I even teach all the strands of feminism. But much like I can't go around saying I'm a tory voter or Labour voter I also can't go around saying twaw or nw. I tend to agree many people believe they are not and be kind. Not much further I can go. Even talking about detrans in pshe causes a huge stir from believers, allies and parents.

Also more generally teachers are really not influencing children into this, its social media and schools being scared / being kind. These extreme close relationships don't really happen, there are boundaries and the vast majority of teachers don't try to do anything but teach and look out for their students. They report whenever they are upset etc. They care about their work and a bit about them. But we have hundreds of new kids each year, we really are not counsellors.

It's professional boundaries isn't it? Most teachers understand them but there's always some who don't. In some schools there's often a small group of younger activist teachers involved with SLT behaving as our politicians have done until recently - a mix of clueless and scared of being called bigots.

What does worry me are the teachers involved in LGBT etc groups. What are they thinking? The school's role is not to actively involve children in LGBT groups any more than it is to run groups to discuss heterosexuality!
From what I've seen the groups lack a structure, curriculum, are usually mixed age with older students sometimes running sessions and frankly are opening up both teachers and older students to potential charges of grooming.

Completely agree and I don't know how any slt can think they are a good idea to run. Not that they do talk about sex, ours has died out for now it seems but they mostly talked about famous gay or maybe gay people.

Discussion about this topic on GB News (the title is misleading, no-one comes to blows). Panellist Paola Diana takes no nonsense though:

I honestly don’t where Tatchell purports to get his information from on these subjects but he’s wrong in a number of the statements he made (i .e. he doesn’t seem to know Jamie Wallis MP exists, he thinks hormone therapy doesn’t happen for teenagers and if it does happen it’s reversible 🤷‍♀️🙄). I think his argument that Poulton is trying to improve women’s representation in politics is the most delusional and disingenuous thing I’ve ever heard him say.

Genuine trans or fake trans. What's the difference?

I don't think anyone's ever explained this. All trans people are pretending to be something they're not.

So are the genuine ones the ones who are genuinely pretending while the fake ones are pretending to pretend? And why does it matter whether they are genuinely pretending or only pretending to pretend? Doesn't that just make them all fake?