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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"Tipping point" - What will it look like? (Trigger warning for suicide)

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WitchyWitcherson · 11/12/2023 12:37

Inspired by a poster on the Henning Wehn post regarding a "tipping point" (and the feeling that we're perpetually creeping closer, but never seem to get there), what do you think the tipping point for the demise of gender ideology will be and look like?

On the positive side, I think there will be a mass sigh of relief that we can finally talk about this publicly without fear, that being Gender Critical will be recognised as rational thought, that young people identifying as trans will get proper help and support. I hope for sex segregated spaces and a sensible approach to people identifying as trans; with their own individual needs met across the board (from their own sports categories to bathrooms).

On the negative side, akin to dying cults, I fear that the vulnerable members of the trans community will will truly believe that life isn't worth living any more, and that activists will use their deaths as a tactic to keep their ideology alive.

The false links that TRAs have already put out there between people "not being able to live their best lives" (i.e. being denied any therapy that isn't affirmative) and suicide have already been put out there dressed as facts; "TERFs" are "literally killing trans people" with our words etc. etc. I think this is dangerous and something we need to look out for when we do reach the tipping point - how do we support these vulnerable people?

Has anyone had any similar thoughts about what a tipping point will look like? I'm hoping in many ways for a quiet fade-out with a minimal number of casualties along the way, but when legislation starts to change, that might cause things to snowball.

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Woman2023 · 15/12/2023 07:41

Boomboom22 · 14/12/2023 15:19

But the nhs does fund cosmetic surgery for mh issues. My friend was an A cup and had a boob job to C on the nhs after counselling. I know 2 people who had nose jobs. So this would have to stop too?

I do think this is really wrong. As someone who isn't even at "first bra" size after breast feeding, I went through a stage of awful discomfort with my body shape. I would definitely have passed a test of it causing distress.

A couple of years later I got over it and am now absolutely fine. The NHS should not be "fixing" mental health issues with unnecessary surgery.

Froodwithatowel · 15/12/2023 07:53

In my own experience and the overwhelming majority in the support groups I accessed at the time, the NHS very rarely provides even needed for medical reasons breast reductions/adaptations due to them being non essential cosmetic, and that was twenty plus years ago, I can't imagine since covid there's any slack in the system for this at all; things like hip replacements where someone is totally crippled are happening with waiting lists running into years.

RethinkingLife · 15/12/2023 08:25

What a very odd series of claims, ButterflyHatched, and I trust that would be apparent to you after some reflection.

I'm always surprised that there are were GPs and CCGs that agreed to fund some cosmetic procedures beyond post-trauma, or post-cancer restoration and similar. I've no idea what ICB policies are in re: cosmetic procedures in the context of the current NHS and the strains it is under for the foreseeable future.

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