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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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PriOn1 · 08/12/2023 07:42

How many women politicians would wear that outfit?

“Not a fetish” no sirree! Honest guv!

I was going to say hiding in plain sight, but there’s no longer even an attempt at hiding.

Crankywiddershins · 08/12/2023 07:53

Reading that made me think about how slut shaming used to be a thing and whether the change was to prepare us all for men in crotchless panties (and nothing else) in parliament. I know he's a bit more covered up, but give it time.

WickedSerious · 08/12/2023 10:35

Fetish with a capital F.

WorriedMutha · 08/12/2023 10:43

I noticed that it was the Greens again. Science isn't a strong point for our environmental parties is it.

HagoftheNorth · 08/12/2023 10:46

Less concerned about what he’s wearing than about how the bill he’s proposing would treat 14 year olds - old enough to change their legal sex marker & start medical transition. Parents who don’t comply to be subject to court action

😢 for these German children and their parents

ArthurbellaScott · 08/12/2023 11:07

'Germany is currently in the process of reviewing the Self-Determination Act (Selbstbestimmung in Bezug auf den Geschlechtseintrag – SBGG), which would allow minors from the age of 14 to change the sex marker on their identification and begin a medical transition. Should parents or guardians object, a family court may intervene to override a lack of consent. Measures included in the SBGG would also classify “deadnaming” as an offense potentially punishable by a fine of up to €10,000 ($10,800), while also permitting citizens to alter identification documents on an annual basis.'

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Villagetoraiseachild · 08/12/2023 11:17

Chuffin Nora.....

EasternStandard · 08/12/2023 11:18

HagoftheNorth · 08/12/2023 10:46

Less concerned about what he’s wearing than about how the bill he’s proposing would treat 14 year olds - old enough to change their legal sex marker & start medical transition. Parents who don’t comply to be subject to court action

😢 for these German children and their parents

Same.

EasternStandard · 08/12/2023 11:19

ArthurbellaScott · 08/12/2023 11:07

'Germany is currently in the process of reviewing the Self-Determination Act (Selbstbestimmung in Bezug auf den Geschlechtseintrag – SBGG), which would allow minors from the age of 14 to change the sex marker on their identification and begin a medical transition. Should parents or guardians object, a family court may intervene to override a lack of consent. Measures included in the SBGG would also classify “deadnaming” as an offense potentially punishable by a fine of up to €10,000 ($10,800), while also permitting citizens to alter identification documents on an annual basis.'

Bloody hell

ArthurbellaScott · 08/12/2023 11:21

Ganserer is interviewed by two young women. In a sauna. All are wearing towels but the body language is interesting.

'Since I came out, I've only been to the sauna twice, because just the thought of experiencing exclusion and worse there makes me sweat.

But for the life of me, I'd like to go to the sauna. That's why I'm also a real fan of @splitterfasernackt_podcast and I was super happy to be a guest with them.'

https://www.instagram.com/p/CefZ32pKKn3/

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/p/CefZ32pKKn3?img_index=1

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ArthurbellaScott · 08/12/2023 11:22

HagoftheNorth · 08/12/2023 10:46

Less concerned about what he’s wearing than about how the bill he’s proposing would treat 14 year olds - old enough to change their legal sex marker & start medical transition. Parents who don’t comply to be subject to court action

😢 for these German children and their parents

Well, sure, but his sexualised appearance is highly relevant.

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Apollo441 · 08/12/2023 11:24

They seem to be behind the curve in organising and fighting back against this nonsense. Let's hope Terf Island can provide inspiration.

Rightsraptor · 08/12/2023 11:35

A picture's worth a thousand words.

Share the hell out of it, with the 'it's not a fetish' comment, too.

EasternStandard · 08/12/2023 11:38

Apollo441 · 08/12/2023 11:24

They seem to be behind the curve in organising and fighting back against this nonsense. Let's hope Terf Island can provide inspiration.

Do you think we’ll provide much after the next GE?

All western democracies subsumed by this stuff worries me

Apollo441 · 08/12/2023 11:45

EasternStandard · 08/12/2023 11:38

Do you think we’ll provide much after the next GE?

All western democracies subsumed by this stuff worries me

We are organised now. The days of slipping stuff through unnoticed are over. If Labour must know they can't ram this shit through without massive opposition they are deluded. I think they know this and if they have any sense will offer weasel words and stear clear. Otherwise watch the opposition to it balloon.

Wetandhorrible · 08/12/2023 11:58

HagoftheNorth · 08/12/2023 10:46

Less concerned about what he’s wearing than about how the bill he’s proposing would treat 14 year olds - old enough to change their legal sex marker & start medical transition. Parents who don’t comply to be subject to court action

😢 for these German children and their parents

Germans have form for this sort of thing though

GrumpyPanda · 08/12/2023 12:08

Apollo441 · 08/12/2023 11:24

They seem to be behind the curve in organising and fighting back against this nonsense. Let's hope Terf Island can provide inspiration.

Yes we are - not just in the GC realm but also feminism in general. But to be fair German reality is also behind UK developments as regards de facto Self-ID in many areas of public and private life. Prison authorities are much more conservative, for instance, although a couple of länder have recently begun drafting to permit males into female prisons after also assessing the needs of all inmates (TRA organizations protested the latter). Changing one's name is generally impossible outside of a GRC or after official approval if your parents had the bad idea of naming you Adolf. And in general, radical policy changes of any kind aren't really a thing here - we never has Thatcherism either, due to our policy process being so much more consensus-based.

So we'll have to wait and see how bad things really get before there's more publicity and people/parts of the media start kicking off.Self-ID is being pushed through as much on the sly as possible - they even drafted the whole thing so as to obviate the need for approval by the second chamber, meaning the federal states.

What's really problematic about this whole process is that the German language doesn't distinguish between sex and gender. So allowing anyone to change their markers by self-declaration effectively eliminates sex as a legal category altogether. This in spite of the fact that the constitution doesn't just stipulate equality of the sexes but also an active role of the state to work towards it. With luck, space here for a constitutional challenge.

GrumpyPanda · 08/12/2023 12:17

Oh and by the way, Markus Ganserer, the individual in the negligee outfit, is still officially Markus. Was on the ballot as Markus (Tessa) since he refuses to participate in a gender recognition procedure. Which didn't prevent Bundestag authorities from fining a far right MP for calling him by that name in a recent parliamentary debate. The MP in question - née Duchess of Oldenburg and part of the barefoot and pregnant Catholiban crowd - has now announced an appeal to the constitutional Court in the matter.

WallaceinAnderland · 08/12/2023 13:26

The first thing I looked at in that picture was the face. I immediately thought 'that's a man' and then looked at the rest and saw the clothing. Yep. That confirmed it. Then I read the thread. A picture really does tell a story.

ArthurbellaScott · 08/12/2023 13:36

Thanks, GrumpyPanda, really helpful to get more context.

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