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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Re a bit of light reading

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stomachameleon · 07/12/2023 10:42

Hi all. I am a reader of the boards on feminism and know how I feel regarding men being men and women being women but I am not well read about such things nor know where to start.

I would love to join in sometimes but feel somewhat in awe of you all and definitely not well educated about people, things or in fact feminism.

My youngest (at uni) regularly calls me a terf though so I assume I am in the right place!

Has anyone got any reading suggestions or Crash guide type thing. What I should be reading? I would really appreciate it:

Sorry if I have offended anyone or used the wrong terminology. Am on a bit of a voyage of self discovery!

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Boiledbeetle · 08/12/2023 15:06

Crankywiddershins · 08/12/2023 07:37

Oh stop it! Just go and ask her if she'll marry me!

Alas she is happily married to Mr Grips!

I could try to persuade her to leave him I suppose!

Crankywiddershins · 08/12/2023 15:11

Boiledbeetle · 08/12/2023 15:06

Alas she is happily married to Mr Grips!

I could try to persuade her to leave him I suppose!

It's ok. I'll just go to the corner and nurse my broken heart 💔 give my congratulations to the lucky Mr Grips!

Boiledbeetle · 08/12/2023 15:14

@Crankywiddershins I've asked..... But it sometimes takes a while to get a response

Re a bit of light reading
Boiledbeetle · 08/12/2023 15:15

😁

stomachameleon · 08/12/2023 15:16

M-E--R-K-I-N thumbs dictionary.... oh goodness Shock

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Boiledbeetle · 08/12/2023 15:18

stomachameleon · 08/12/2023 15:16

M-E--R-K-I-N thumbs dictionary.... oh goodness Shock

Here is Elaine flashing her merkin on 22 Dec 2022 to the Scottish parliament after the passing of the GRR bill

Elaine Miller exposes herself in front of children in Scottish Parliament Holyrood

gussiegripsgussie gripsSNPNicola Sturgeon GRR BillJK RowlingphysiotherapistFellow of the Chartered Society of Physiotherapycomedian

https://youtu.be/AsJyEiQlEkU?si=gau7vAwP8JUm1iSh

Crankywiddershins · 08/12/2023 15:19

Boiledbeetle · 08/12/2023 15:14

@Crankywiddershins I've asked..... But it sometimes takes a while to get a response

I'm composing a poem specially for her...

MargotBamborough · 08/12/2023 15:24

JellySaurus · 07/12/2023 12:32

Invisible Women by Caroline Criado Perez. Not specifically about trans issues, but a good explanation of how the erasure of women is normalised as part of society.

Came here to say this.

It doesn't deal directly with trans issues but it's very good on how women are discriminated against due to our actual female biology and bodies, not our "gender identities".

Boiledbeetle · 08/12/2023 15:28

Crankywiddershins · 08/12/2023 15:19

I'm composing a poem specially for her...

I shall put this here then

THE MERKIN LADY

It was a bleak day in December when the Bill from hell was passed.
We’d all sat and listened to the most egregious lies rehashed.
Knowing that the politicians had been whipped to vote,
was doomed to be the only thing to cling on to whilst we coped.
Then the voting was all over, and the proclamation read.
The women of the country felt they might as well be dead.
Our rights had just been decimated to placate the whims of men,
Nic knew what she had bloody done, but she didn’t want to ken.

Then, like an angel from above, the heroine of this piece
floated from the sky, on clouds of silk and fluffy geese.
She floated through the air, like a sky nymph wrapped in love,
surrounded on her journey by a pitying of turtle doves.
They gently placed her…

What do you mean it didn’t happen quite like this?
This is my re-telling of that moment of historic bliss.
Can’t I have my fantasy of how it all played out?
Shit! Imagine if the history books believed me without doubt!
OK! Ignore that bit. Scrub from ‘Then like an angel from above’.
So back on with the true version of my historic merkin love…

After the Bill was passed, and in a fit of pique,
Elaine Miller, she decided, that she just had to speak.
And as she finished speaking, she lifted up her skirt,
and the merkin of this tale proved to be an extrovert.
It flashed itself to Parliament, and to a recording phone.
Then, it hit the world stage, and now it sits upon its throne.

A piece of women’s history was sealed in that moment.
A highlight in the misery. A most wonderful bestowment
to those who’ll pass the story on to future generations.
“The Merkin Lady raised her skirt, to save you from privations.
She stood up for her rights, and what she knew to be so true,
to make the world a better place for every one of you.”

And so now the Merkin Lady holds a spot within my heart.
She makes a smile appear, for what she did was like fine art.

Screams

“I LOVE YOU ELAINE!”

(The stalker vibes emanating off me are purely coincidental. Honest!)

Boiledbeetle 15th August 2023

Enlightenment:

On 22nd December 2022, immediately after the passing of the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill in Holyrood, Elaine Miller, a pelvic physiotherapist, and occasional wearer of a very fetching vulva costume, stood up in the public gallery and shouted:

“If this parliament will not respect the rights of women, then you have no decency. And if you will not be decent towards women who are being raped in jails right now that you’re in charge of, if you will not be decent, then I will be indecent. Get it right up yers. You TERRIBLE TERRIBLE people.”

And as she started to shout “then I will be indecent…” she raised her skirt and, thanks to an MSP with a phone on record, the world got a fantastic view of a fun fur merkin stuck to the front of her tights.

Boiledbeetle · 08/12/2023 15:36

And as it links to the event above here is the court decision from today about the section 35 that Alister Jack issued in January after the passing of the bill on 22 Dec last year.

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/docs/default-source/cos-general-docs/pdf-docs-for-opinions/2023csoh89.pdf?sfvrsn=f2051764_1

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/docs/default-source/cos-general-docs/pdf-docs-for-opinions/2023csoh89.pdf?sfvrsn=f2051764_1

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 08/12/2023 17:07

Thanks, Boiled.

For those who don't want to read 65 pages of background and evidence, the decision was:

[82] It follows from all of the foregoing analysis that the challenge to the Order pronounced under section 35 of the 1998 Act, laid on 17 January 2023, fails. In so concluding it is important to recognise the novelty and complexity of the arguments and the sophisticated manner in which those arguments were presented before me and from which I derived considerable assistance.

[83] I will accordingly sustain the pleas in law for the respondent, repel the pleas in law for the petitioners and dismiss the Petition. I reserve meantime all questions of expenses.

<goes back to read the 65 pages, to assess the tone of the word 'novelty'>

MimiGC · 08/12/2023 20:11

I would definitely start with'Trans' by Helen Joyce. I think it's the most accessible and a good introduction.

I also have a teenager and a 20 year old whose views on gender identity are very different from mine, but if either of them were to call me a Terf in a derogatory way, they'd get very short shrift from me in return.

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