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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Fewer than five trans prisoners still in female jails

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IwantToRetire · 04/12/2023 01:25

Fewer than five transgender women are being held in female jails after a major transfer programme in the wake of the <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/YG8Er/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/02/transgender-rapist-isla-bryson-prison-transphobic-abuse/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Isla Bryson scandal.

Around 10 transgender women are believed to have been deemed potential security risks and <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/YG8Er/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/16/trans-prisoners-moved-out-womens-jails-isla-bryson-moj/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">moved out of women’s jails following a tightening of the rules in prisons in England and Wales.

The Ministry of Justice (MoJ) imposed a retrospective ban on transgender prisoners with male genitalia or with a conviction for violent or sexual offences to be held in women’s prisons.

It was introduced by the then justice secretary, Dominic Raab, after Bryson, a transgender woman found guilty of raping two women before she transitioned, was sent to Cornton Vale, an all-female prison.

The <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/YG8Er/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/01/16/rishi-sunak-strikes-nurses-news-latest-keir-starmer-brexit/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">subsequent outcry forced the Scottish Government to reverse the policy and led to a review of the rules south of the border.

According to new MoJ data, the number of transgender women in female jails has fallen to between zero and five, excluding those in possession of a gender recognition certificate. The MoJ refuses to be more precise because of the risk of identifying individuals.

Full article at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/03/most-trans-prisoners-no-longer-in-female-jails/ or https://archive.ph/YG8Er

Fewer than five trans prisoners still in female jails

Isla Bryson scandal in Scotland prompts Ministry of Justice to tighten rules in prisons in England and Wales

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/03/most-trans-prisoners-no-longer-in-female-jails

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Apollo441 · 05/12/2023 12:45

So nothing about being excluded if they have a cock and balls, like in England? It is a contemptible policy and gives not one shit for any women caught up in this.

Ardith · 05/12/2023 13:16

“excluding those in possession of a gender recognition certificate”

So basically any man who wants to rape his way around women’s prison can get a certificate saying he’s allowed to do so.

Ffs.

Froodwithatowel · 05/12/2023 13:22

Ardith · 05/12/2023 13:16

“excluding those in possession of a gender recognition certificate”

So basically any man who wants to rape his way around women’s prison can get a certificate saying he’s allowed to do so.

Ffs.

So the obvious next step is that they'll all get GRCs. It's cheap and easy.

And then that loophole will have to be closed too, because they'll crack on with damaging women again until it once more reaches levels of grotty publicity where people start to say ok, that's going a little bit too far.

The only answer to this in the short term is hand out GRCs with a packet of bloody smarties, throw them out of the windows of Whitehall like confetti for all I care, but they cannot equate to access to female single sex spaces including prisons. This comes back to again and again, there are boundaries to how far any male person's transition can be permitted to extend. There have to be. Because other people have rights too.

And then we'll need to move to the last step of getting rid of the GRA because it's a nice idea in theory but is a fucking terrible idea in every way in practice. And men will push this and any loophole until it's completely broken. They can't help themselves.

Waitwhat23 · 05/12/2023 18:55

The SPS's review is finally complete. It started in 2018. A tweet by KPSS -

'Today sees the release of the long-awaited revised SPS Police for the Management of Transgender People in Custody. We are astounded and dismayed.

This review has been five long years in the making. The process, which we were invited to take part in, was presented to us as comprising extensive and in-depth research that would provide a firm and methodologically sound evidence base for a new policy with SPS was determined would get it right.

What we have before us is a document so lightweight that it is the most risible attempt at a policy I have seen. Where are the details? Where is the evidence? But, most importantly, where is the safety of women in prison?

After the justifiably outrage when the convicted double rapist Adam Graham was sent to a women’s prison, SPS put in place interim measures to exclude all male prisoners convicted of sexual or violent offences against women or girls from being held in the female estate. Today’s policy sees a departure from this exclusion and puts in place provisions where a male rapist could be transferred to the female estate where the risk he presents to women is deemed “acceptable”. Let’s be quiet clear: there is no degree of risk a convicted rapist presents to women that is ever “acceptable”.

Today’s policy is in marked distinction to the Ministry of Justice police that was released earlier this year:

Where the MoJ excludes male offenders convicted of any sexual or violent offence, the SPS has no problem sending the to a women’s prison so long as the victim was male.

Where the MoJ excludes any male offender with intact male genitalia, the SPS seemingly trusts men to behave themselves provided the haven’t assaulted a woman.

Whilst the MoJ policy represented a marked shift and a positive step that we can look to build on, the SPS policy is shameful.'

Waitwhat23 · 05/12/2023 18:59

Article -

Fewer than five trans prisoners still in female jails
Waitwhat23 · 05/12/2023 20:08

Foxes and henhouses

Fewer than five trans prisoners still in female jails
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