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Mad Green Party LGBTQIA motion coming to their AGM

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Lysistra65 · 03/12/2023 21:52

Calling on the Green Party of England and Wales to Recognise ‘Gender Critical’ as an Inherently Hateful Ideology & Movement - Allan McLeod

LGBTIQA+ Greens Note:

The recent disaffiliation of Green Party Women from the Green Party of England & Wales which from our members we understand failed to represent its membership, had a culture of bullying, and at times treated its ‘Gender Critical’ stance with primacy above other issues, despite fierce internal disagreement on this stance;
The online conduct of Green Party Women since disaffiliation suggests a scorched earth response and no desire to resolve either constitutional or philosophical disputes. This includes:

◦ criticism of members by name;

◦ sharing content from former or suspended members;

◦ Creation of a new mailing list independent of the Green Party of England and Wales.

· The decision of Scottish Greens to end its formal association with the Green Party of England and Wales due to a perception of GPEW’s failure to address transphobia.

LGBTIQA+ Greens Resolve:

To call on the Green Party of England and Wales to recognise the Gender Critical movement as a hate movement seeking the eradication of all gender diverse (including but not limited to trans, non-binary, agender and gender fluid) people through social exclusion, legislation & physical violence;
To call on the Green Party Executive Committee, Equality & Diversity Committee, and Standing Orders Committee to provisionally adopt the appended statement entitled Green Party of England and Wales Philosophical Stance on the ‘Gender Critical’ Movement as our philosophical stance on the Gender Critical movement, until it can be debated and voted on at party conference;
To call on the Green Party of England & Wales to invite the group ‘Feminist Greens’ to affiliate itself to GPEW as the liberation group/special interest group to represent female and non-binary members post disaffiliation of Green Party Women, as a successor entity.

Green Party of England and Wales Philosophical Stance on the ‘Gender Critical’ Movement

The Green Party of England and Wales notes the rising visibility of the ‘Gender Critical’ movement in the UK and overseas, and hereby states our moral & philosophical opposition to a socio-political movement which we find to be a transphobic, extremist, violent and eradicationist hate movement. This statement is based on the ‘Statement on the Genocidal Nature of the Gender Critical Movement’s Ideology and Practice’ published by the Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention on the 29th of November 2022 and is adapted to British circumstances.

The Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention defines ‘Genocidal Ideologies’ in their statement from November ‘22 as ‘ideologies that deny or seek to erase the existence of a specific group because of the supposed threat it poses to holders of the ideology’. Further, the Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention described the Gender Critical movement as ‘a fascist political movement furthering a specifically genocidal ideology that seeks the complete eradication of trans identity from the world’.

Various Gender Critical groups and individuals express support and agitate for the Gender Critical movement in different ways and expressing different (and sometimes contradictory) views, such as (but not limited to):

· Expression that a trans or gender diverse identity (that is a gender identity which does not match an individuals sex observed at birth) is a mental illness;

· Portrayal of trans people as dangerous by portrayal of individual trans people who have committed crimes as representative of trans people either in general or through collective responsibility;

· By describing trans identity as a sexual fetish rather than a trans persons’ authentic sense of self;

· Condemning family members and health professionals who support a trans persons decision to seek and receive gender affirming care as encouraging harmful behaviour;

· Claiming that a large portion of trans people who medically transition later detransition and express substantive regret over an irreversible medical procedure;

· Portraying trans affirmative medical care as mutilation or as an abusive act against a trans person;

· As men who wish to access female only spaces through female impersonation, presumably to cause them harm or fear of harm;

· Allegations of predatory sexual behaviour, including paedophilia, against trans people and trans supportive individuals and groups;

· Denial that trans people exist claiming there is no such thing as a ‘trans person’, sometimes citing as evidence one or more of the previously mentioned arguments.

The claim that trans people are largely a group of men pretending to be women who are a danger to women, or who diminish women’s rights, appears so often in their discourse that it has become such an overarching theme in their arguments it has succeeded in gaining a degree of undeserved centrist & liberal political acceptance. This occurred despite the adherents sometimes holding otherwise far-right beliefs and associations, including (but not limited to):

· No-exemption anti-abortion political standpoints;

· Opposition to same sex marriage;

· Support from hyper-conservative media outlets;

· Support from Christo-fascist churches and religious groups;

· Support from Ethno-nationalist & national socialist political groups;

· Support from assorted petty criminals including thugs, racists & domestic abusers.

Multiple political parties in the UK have a number of Gender Critical members and politicians. This is most notable in the Conservative & Unionist Party who have at times openly begun using Gender Critical tropes and suggesting trans-discriminatory legislation and policy as a part of their ‘culture war’ against all minority groups in order to appease their hard right support base, and parties perceiving themselves as ‘progressive’ adopting a ‘middle ground’ approach indicating an attempt to placate Gender Critical people with at least acceptance in principle of the false dichotomy of ‘women versus trans’ or ‘feminists versus trans’.

Throughout the period of Conservative government, beginning with the Liberal-Conservative coalition and subsequent Conservative administrations, we have seen multiple attempts to attack marginalised, vulnerable or minority groups within our society such as migrants, refugees, the disabled, the unemployed and now trans people. It is our belief that the public backlash that many of these policies or actions inspired halted the worst of successive right-wing governments cruelty, and that the reason that the Conservative Government has turned its attention to marginalising trans people is that they believe that it can be portrayed as an attempt to find balance between women’s and trans rights.

The Green Party of England and Wales does not believe such conflict in women's and trans rights exists, and views the governments ‘culture war’ against trans people as a cynical attempt to violate the human rights of a minority group assumed to be so small in number that the negative impact would be felt by a minimal number of people, so reducing the condemnation from the public all-the-while establishing for themselves the authority to repeat this behaviour on other groups. This would be made possible as once the dehumanisation and withdrawal of rights & acceptance of one group has succeeded the government will have gained the tacit approval from the public that such behaviour is acceptable under some circumstances against other minorities.

Over the past few years, coinciding with the Gender Critical movement becoming increasingly vocal, there has been a documented increase in the number of hate crimes committed against both trans people and other queer folk. This seems to be a repeat of the ‘Boris Johnson effect’; for context after former Prime Minister Johnson described Muslim women as looking like letterboxes there was a noticeable increase in recorded hate crimes against Muslim people; and therefore we accuse the Gender Critical movement of inspiring hate crimes and discrimination against British trans citizens through deliberately hostile behaviour and language, reaching the state that there have been instances of British trans people living overseas as refugees because of how trans-hostile the UK is becoming/has become.

The association between the Gender Critical movement and the far-right has reached the stage of Gender Critical protests and demonstrations being supported by Nazi or neo-Nazi groups, sometimes brandishing Nazi imagery such as the swastika or individuals making the obscene ‘Roman Salute’. Far right groups and individuals have mobilised to ‘protect’ Gender Critical protests and demonstrations from counter-protest, enabling them to portray themselves as the defenders of women.

There have been instances of assaults against trans people being videoed and broadcast online where the trans person under attack was simultaneously portrayed as violent if they attempted to defend themselves, of neo-Nazis protesting drag events bearing inflated banners bearing the bloodied face of a trans person they had previously beaten broadcast as both a threat and a trophy. The families of trans individuals who have killed themselves or been murdered have become targets for abuse by Gender Critical activists, including on at least one occasion serious consideration being given to disruption of a deceased trans persons funeral.

The support of Nazis to the Gender Critical movement is both disgusting and unsurprising. The Lemkin institute statement from November ‘22 reminds us that the Mangus Hirshfeld Institute for Sexual Science was among the first libraries to be burned by the National Socialists in Germany which studied human sexuality & gender, and that prior to Western colonialism many societies held a place for 3rd gendered people outside the gender binary.

The harm that the conduct of the Gender Critical movement has caused is not limited to trans and other gender diverse people; there have been incidents of cis people with an androgynous or gender non-conforming appearance or aesthetic being subjected to discrimination or hate crimes due to a perception that they were trans. This suggests that the Gender Critical movement is a danger to the entirety of the queer community, as well as cisgendered women. This danger to cis-women becomes all-the-more apparent and chilling when we consider that the defenders of Gender Critical street protests claiming themselves the defenders of women has included men with a history of domestic violence. That the Gender Critical movement ignores the fact that it is being proactively exploited by men who are an active danger to women to sanitise their reputation is hypocritical in the extreme considering the some of the claims they make about trans women, and informative that the Gender Critical movements goals are more to do with trans exclusion and providing people who hold a hatred of trans people an outlet to express this than about protecting women.

It is our assertion that if every claim made by the Gender Critical movement about trans people were wholly true and accurate (however by-and-large their claims are disprovable with minimal to moderate scrutiny) then there would be no possible way for trans people exist without violating the rights of cisgendered women; and if a person violates the rights of others through no action other than mere existence the only way to not violate the rights of others would be to not exist.

Based on this we conclude the Gender Critical movement to be eradicationist, totalitarian and fascistic in nature; whose methods are sometimes adapted from the methods of the far-right & have at times crossed the line into domestic terrorism, and whose end goal (despite being impossible as trans people always have and always will exist) is the complete eradication of trans identity from society both as gender diverse individuals and as a distinctive cultural group of people. This is to be achieved through the cultivation of negative tropes & conspiracy theories (including repurposed racist or homophobic tropes), criminalisation, discrimination, violence (sometimes including homicide), harassment & targeted abuse (sometimes to the point of inflicting suicidal ideation) and outright denialism of the existence or validity of trans, non-binary & other gender diverse identities.

We assert that their can be no place in truly progressive political parties for adherents to the Gender Critical ideology, or within society at large, beyond the grudging tolerance granted to holders of objectionable beliefs & philosophies who have not (yet) expressed themselves through discrimination, hate speech, criminality or other proscribed behaviour. We consider it the social & moral obligation of progressive political movements, groups and parties to attempt to dissuade people from continuing to hold harmful or objectionable beliefs or philosophies such as those of the Gender Critical movement. To that end the Green Party of England and Wales will not allow itself to be used as a platform for Gender Critical individuals to broadcast or advocate their vile and fascistic beliefs or message.

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Datun · 04/12/2023 13:49

Good grief.

HagoftheNorth · 04/12/2023 13:51

Meanwhile, we have lost 40% (by volume) of phytoplankton in the oceans since 1950 - and for anyone not familiar, those would be the organisms holding up the marine food chains, and ensuring levels of oxygen in our atmosphere. But not as important as ensuring GC women get back in their box 🙄

PomegranateOfPersephone · 04/12/2023 18:09

I would not be surprised if the author of the motion in the OP announced the discovery that he has a gendered soul…Hmm

Hadna · 04/12/2023 19:36

This is the left folks 😂

PonyPatter44 · 04/12/2023 19:38

HagoftheNorth · 04/12/2023 13:51

Meanwhile, we have lost 40% (by volume) of phytoplankton in the oceans since 1950 - and for anyone not familiar, those would be the organisms holding up the marine food chains, and ensuring levels of oxygen in our atmosphere. But not as important as ensuring GC women get back in their box 🙄

But dear @HagoftheNorth you are simply not using enough words to get your point across about the phytoplankton. If an issue is really important, it's essential to cloak it in lots and lots of very important words.

Fuck knows how anyone cottoned on to 'Save The Whales'.

SidewaysOtter · 04/12/2023 19:42

Has anyone checked how the phytoplankton identify? That might be the key to getting the Greens to pay attention.

cocoromo · 04/12/2023 21:14

golly…..even got domestic terrorism in there, amazing!
clutching and straws spring to mind 🤣

DrBlackbird · 04/12/2023 23:43

Lysistra65 · 03/12/2023 21:56

This man Allan Mcleod is standing for the Green Party Disciplinary Committee....

Disciplinary committee member. Crikey. Pretty bloody obvious this martyred male v much would like to discipline women in particular. That’s a very long and deeply held rant against women who speak and dare to say no.

Women who seek… Support from assorted petty criminals including thugs, racists & domestic abusers ffs 🤦🏻‍♀️

Abhannmor · 05/12/2023 00:15

McLeod cuckoo land. I think KJK should stand in Brighton Pavilion if Izzard is selected for Labour there. The Greens and Lab might split the vote and the Tories are doomed anyway. It is sad to see the Greens dissolving like this though.

Rightsraptor · 05/12/2023 04:38

The only GP conference I attended, in spring of 2022, had a motion about the disciplinary committee. I can't recall now exactly what it was but it was about making it more 'productive' in some way. My point is that the motion stated that the number of cases being referred to that committee had increased quite dramatically. I did wonder why that was.

I voted against the motion as I thought they should maybe investigate why the number of complaints had increased rather than increase the number of committee members or whatever it was they wanted to do.

WorriedMutha · 05/12/2023 07:33

Is the Green party being targeted by entryists? They've always had a beards and sandals image but I can't believe the longstanding members believe this. Have opportunistic TRAs joined to gain a platform in a mainstream national party. If so this will be the end of the Greens as a credible voice. They've been captured by crank science.

ArthurbellaScott · 05/12/2023 07:37

WorriedMutha · 05/12/2023 07:33

Is the Green party being targeted by entryists? They've always had a beards and sandals image but I can't believe the longstanding members believe this. Have opportunistic TRAs joined to gain a platform in a mainstream national party. If so this will be the end of the Greens as a credible voice. They've been captured by crank science.

Oh gosh yes. This is transparently what's happened. Its very evident when members have joined to push a gender ideology agenda and don't give a fuck about Green issues. They may choose a token issue to wave - litter picking is one I've seen. And all of the rest of their efforts are on pushing gender issues.

And yes, it will probably destroy the party.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 07/12/2023 11:49

I gather they are skint and will possibly run out of money after the assorted live discrimination cases are settled.

Which would be an abomination to have allowed to happen.

ArthurbellaScott · 07/12/2023 12:42

Yes, vivarium. It's horrible to see all the hard work and years of effort trashed by entryists.

But a lesson, I suspect, to other parties/groups.

Eric1926 · 07/12/2023 13:07

There are less than 300 who are pushing this trans extremist position in the Green Party. As a moderate who has published films showing the problems faced in the past by genuine trans people I appeal to people who conside the climate crisis of great importance to join the Green Party and change these stupid and unscientific policies of the extremists who seem to have captured my party.

Carouselfish · 07/12/2023 13:16

As a GC lefty, we really really need to take every opportunity to publicly distance ourselves from any hyper religious/conservative GCers; don't share GC articles from right wing sites for example. They don't seem to remember that the former Green Party women were obviously GC and left.

Froodwithatowel · 07/12/2023 13:47

I'm sorry, but campaign for women's rights and equalities to be saved only if they come from The Right Kind of People?

No. Stuff that. This is a cross party issue and not a drill. There is no time to wait and hope that only sources you personally like and are pure come up with the right stuff to get the message out there. And I'm afraid the left identifying media is bloody awful on this issue.

TheMarzipanDildo · 07/12/2023 14:32

Sorry, violent?

Are they completely unaware of what’s going on in the world at the moment? Can they name a single example of GC violence?

SquirrelSoShiny · 07/12/2023 14:38

Yes I think the bit that galls me is that the Green Party has basically cut its own throat to support a handful of incels and fetishists, rather than addressing the existential threat of our catastrophic climate disaster. I honestly sometimes wonder is it right wing oil magnates who have funded the whole trans lobby under the counter, knowing damn well the left would eat itself alive.

Noshowlomo · 07/12/2023 14:46

So Greens don’t want to win then

PotteringPondering · 07/12/2023 15:07

With a general election on the horizon, how about:

The Green Party: Putting the Mental Back into Environmental

ArthurbellaScott · 07/12/2023 15:10

Carouselfish · 07/12/2023 13:16

As a GC lefty, we really really need to take every opportunity to publicly distance ourselves from any hyper religious/conservative GCers; don't share GC articles from right wing sites for example. They don't seem to remember that the former Green Party women were obviously GC and left.

Do you have a list of approved sources, there?

WarriorN · 07/12/2023 15:44

How did I miss this thread?!

I've been desperate to share the mad ramblings in this motion 😂

It's beyond bonkers.

Flamango · 07/12/2023 15:47

Tbh I think he’s done a really nice job of summing up the arguments. And the vast majority of TOMOTCH would read it and think we’ve got a point.

LondonLass91 · 07/12/2023 16:41

Mad Green Party 🤣🤣 The new Monster Raving Looney Party

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