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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

'What is your sex?' - ONS question, I nearly fell off my chair

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MissSueFlay · 30/11/2023 08:58

I'm one of those people that corrects paper forms asking for 'gender' to 'sex', and I routinely drop out of any kind of online questionnaire or survey asking if my gender is female. I've been part of the ONS Coronavirus study since it started in the pandemic, and just logged my first test result in its new phase - and they asked my sex! And there were only two options! Not 'sex assigned at birth', and no follow up asking if my gender identity is the same as my sex assigned at birth - no, the scientists just want to know what sex I am, because that's the meaningful data they need, and they don't feel the need to validate anyone. Bravo to the ONS! (on this occasion)

I do find it ironic that the 'Covid Infection Study' abbreviates to 'CIS' 😂

'What is your sex?' - ONS question, I nearly fell off my chair
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SamphireAndSalmon · 01/12/2023 05:47

BadBadDecisions · 30/11/2023 09:31

BUT HOW WILL THEY KNOW WHO IS SUPER SPECIAL AND DIFFERENT

<faints clean away>

🤣

aname1234 · 01/12/2023 08:55

PatatiPatatras · 01/12/2023 03:28

Meh. I'm the only female who does certain activities in my area. If I had a survey which asked for sex and then asked what role I played, I'd typically lie on the sex question (or the role, depends) as I very well could be immediately identified by some.

There's more to life and everyone has a story... I'm sure highly skilled statisticians can deal with some noise in their data.

No. you've basically erased yourself.

DrBlackbird · 01/12/2023 09:12

MissSueFlay · 30/11/2023 13:44

Interesting to see this from Sex Matters, NHS going in the opposite direction

x.com/sexmattersorg/status/1729832930753552852?s=46&t=TE3B3uARfpnQU1AAwB0wqA

An example of how you don’t have to be a CEO to have enormous power. Just a run of the mill IT person with an obvious agenda creating a new online form.

MagpiePi · 01/12/2023 09:14

aname1234 · 01/12/2023 08:55

No. you've basically erased yourself.

I don’t agree. You can be pragmatic about it.
I’m in a this position at work and although the annual staff survey is supposedly anonymous it would be easy for managers to work out it was me being the only woman in the group.

DrBlackbird · 01/12/2023 09:23

DrBlackbird · 01/12/2023 09:12

An example of how you don’t have to be a CEO to have enormous power. Just a run of the mill IT person with an obvious agenda creating a new online form.

Have to eat my own words. Whilst it was an American company doing the IT, apparently “the system design had involved “years of detailed planning by hundreds of teams from both Trusts”, and that the launch had been mapped out “to the last detail”… by doctors, by health care professionals who treat physical bodies. Creating this form that would be meaningful for 0.04% of the population but would indoctrinate every single user into thinking these categories were common and standard practice. George Orwell would understand this form of power as dominance.

PatatiPatatras · 01/12/2023 11:47

aname1234 · 01/12/2023 08:55

No. you've basically erased yourself.

Erm yes. That's the whole point of hiding in the crowd. Being able to give pertinent data whilst staying anonymous.
Now if the pertinent data is based on sex then I'm fucked.

duc748 · 01/12/2023 12:14

MissSueFlay · 30/11/2023 13:44

Interesting to see this from Sex Matters, NHS going in the opposite direction

x.com/sexmattersorg/status/1729832930753552852?s=46&t=TE3B3uARfpnQU1AAwB0wqA

That looks a bit rubbish. I have a couple of questions:

Is 'non-binary' an option for 'legal sex'? I thought legal sex had to be male or female?

Under 'Patient's gender identity', rather than just 'Patient chooses not to disclose', why is there no 'Patient doesn't accept that they have a gender identity' option?

Do they not realise how fucking insulting 'cisgender' is?

Forester1 · 01/12/2023 12:46

PatatiPatatras · 01/12/2023 11:47

Erm yes. That's the whole point of hiding in the crowd. Being able to give pertinent data whilst staying anonymous.
Now if the pertinent data is based on sex then I'm fucked.

I’d understood that the results would only be split eg by sex if there was a big enough cohort that individuals could not be identified. So if there was 3 women in the department but 100 women in the firm the males / female split of results wouldn’t be shown for department but would for the firm.

literalviolence · 01/12/2023 13:04

MissSueFlay · 30/11/2023 13:44

Interesting to see this from Sex Matters, NHS going in the opposite direction

x.com/sexmattersorg/status/1729832930753552852?s=46&t=TE3B3uARfpnQU1AAwB0wqA

That really is quite fascinating. How would one be expected to answer the question re: 'organs surgically constructed or enhanced'?. It's not possible to actually make a vagina, it's just a crude superficial mock up made largely from a penis. So the enhanced organ a TW has is a penis then, yes?

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