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The EHRC will strike the right balance when upholding everyone’s rights - Kishwer Falkner

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IwantToRetire · 28/11/2023 02:33

... the EHRC has never ceased its work to protect and promote equality and human rights.

Unfortunately, our road to reset and renewal now faces another obstacle. This comes as <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/tX2xg/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/27/britain-faces-un-blacklist-over-trans-rights-lobby-ehrc/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">a challenge, originating from UK campaign groups, to our UN accreditation as an “A” status national human rights organisation.

Accreditation is reviewed regularly by the relevant body on behalf of the UN, to ensure that the highest standards of human rights protections are upheld. The EHRC went through a successful reaccreditation only last year, which confirmed our “A” status for the next five years.

... But after our advice to government on the functioning of the Equality Act this April, we experienced targeted action by a group of campaign organisations, who again used the UN accreditation process as a means to undermine our statutory role – which involves a legal duty to advise on the effectiveness of equality laws. These allegations about us followed a letter we sent in April to the minister for women and equalities, who asked for our advice on the definition of the <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/tX2xg/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/04/biological-women-protected-equality-law-change/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">protected characteristic of “sex” in the Equality Act.

Our advice on this complex and divisive issue made clear that government should lean towards a biological definition of sex as the fairest way of protecting everyone’s rights, but that it should carefully identify and consider the potential implications of any such change.

We were saddened to see that Stonewall and other campaigners chose to “go low” with unsubstantiated claims about matters which have little to do with the daily lives of the people or groups who we are there to protect, instead of engaging with us to discuss our proposals to improve the balance of rights and protections.

... As part of the case made against us to the SCA, we were accused of being “in cahoots” with the UK Government in allegedly seeking to erode the rights of trans people. We absolutely refute this assertion. Our positions on sex and gender have received support from parliamentarians across the party-political divides. We take great pride in our independence from government and continue to demonstrate our impartiality through our willingness to robustly challenge them.

These are a few paragraphs from quite a long Comment article in the Telegraph by Kishwer Falkner https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/27/ehrc-will-strike-the-right-balance-when-upholding-rights/

Available to read via https://archive.ph just paste in the Telegraph link above into the box provided.

The EHRC will strike the right balance when upholding everyone’s rights

The role of the referee is rarely appreciated, but as a regulator it’s one we accept with steely determination

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/27/ehrc-will-strike-the-right-balance-when-upholding-rights

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 28/11/2023 16:33

Just saw Stonewall tweeting about this.

Has the accreditation body been captured, or is this likely to be more beneficial sunlight?

Imnobody4 · 28/11/2023 16:40

Also being discussed on this thread. I really hope Kishwer Falkner doesn't give up, she's amazing.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4952138-does-the-un-realise-women-are-human

lanadelgrey · 28/11/2023 16:45

She was on Women’s Hour this morning. V firm and clear, was around 10.30 so half way through I reckon

IwantToRetire · 28/11/2023 17:06

Also being discussed on this thread

Yes I knew there was another thread, but as its title referred to the UN I thought that Kishwer Falkner deserved to have her work acknowledged. (And doubt that Reem Alsalem will sit silent.)

Also to focus on the actual problem. ie the vendetta by Stonewall and the implications here in the UK, rather than yet another thread about institutional capture.

What is happening at and to the EHRC is far more immediate and relevant to us all, as heavens knows what will happen to it once Labour becomes the Government.

The lelvel to which Stonewall will go to undermine and smear others, even when they know that an procedural route will fail, has been the driving force in keeping so many silent on the erasure of women's rights.

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Ramblingnamechanger · 28/11/2023 17:07

A miracle to hear this being discussed on WH. Stonewall is really showing itself up now as an organisation that with never uphold the rights of lesbians ,or gay men. The bullying the Baroness has already suffered at the hands of the TRAs was not mentioned I think, but should have been.

IwantToRetire · 28/11/2023 17:09

A miracle to hear this being discussed on WH.

I didn't hear that. Was it generally supportive, or was it all the most oppressed group must be allowed to have the loudest voice?!

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maltravers · 28/11/2023 18:16

I see the BBC is reporting about this and managing to cite Victor MB’s views, but is strangely silent on Reem Alsalem’s views which took an opposite stance I recall.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ck7p88zx2z2o

People taking part in a transgender-rights protest in London

EHRC: Britain's human-rights watchdog at risk of UN downgrade

The body that accredits human-rights watchdogs is to conduct a "special review" of UK commission.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ck7p88zx2z2o

Needmoresleep · 28/11/2023 18:16

Kishwer is great. Though all this we are discovering some amazing women (and men.)

IwantToRetire · 28/11/2023 18:27

The BBC title "watchdog at risk" is just sickening. Its playing into Stonewall's deliberate smear campaign.

They are meant to be a news channel, and even the slightest bit of investigation would throw up that this is just negative campaigning.

But the damage is done, becausse so many will just see the headline, via BBC, and will then think it must be serious.

They could have said Stonewall are trying to persuad the UN that the UK's EHRC should not be accredited. (Or something shorter and more snappy)

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Froodwithatowel · 29/11/2023 15:34

Vendetta is exactly the word for it.

We're into a straight battle now between reality politics and making shit up having completely lost the fucking plot politics.

EasternStandard · 29/11/2023 15:52

Stonewall are vindictive and powerful

Women are being removed from jobs, luckily Badenoch stepped in here

I fear for who will do that if we get a change of gov

IwantToRetire · 29/11/2023 17:31

Stonewall are vindictive and powerful

And so many "professional" organisations treat them as though they are "good faith" organisers.

Surely by now even the most "be kind" groups must be having doubts about their motives. And they keep loosing or told they have no case.

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